on 8/28/2000 9:50 PM, "Justin Wells" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 28, 2000 at 06:03:37AM -0400, Jason van Zyl wrote:
>> Just as there are many implementations of JSP, C, C++, Java and
>> every other language that exists, so are there now of WebMacro.
>
> Except there's no guarantee they'll really be compatible, and it
> creates confusion. It splits the available resources, and it makes
> people think they made a mistake using free software.
It doesn't matter if they are not compatible because Velocity will be a
better solution anyway. We have 7 people now making sure of that and growing
daily.
> Let's not make this an "eventual" thing, let's make it happen
> this week. Let's put the two projects together and create one
> fully functional unified code tree with everything in it.
Ok, come join Velocity.
> You'll then have my help improving it over time. My need is that
> what we have by the end of this week support my clients, like
> AltaVista, who depend on all kinds of interfaces that WM has
> which you haven't yet adopted and may not for a long time.
"may not for a long time". Dude. It would have been done already if it
didn't take you 2 days to change your license. :-) Jason has already looked
at your code and told me 2 days.
> By the way, it's no longer a secret that AltaVista is evaluating
> WebMacro. They haven't made an official decision to use Java/WebMacro
> for the AltaVista site, but it is pretty much the leading contender
> at this point. Wouldn't you like to be a part of that? If we make
> it one unified code base you will be.
I hope you also told them to evaluate Velocity. :-) I wonder how they are
planning on supporting Javascript.
> Not only that, but AV has a lot of resources to put back in. This
> also pretty much gives WM better name recognition than Velocity,
> since being used on AV will a huge PR win--if we can pull it off.
Na. I don't believe that FUD for a second. AV.com won't advertise to anyone
that they are using WM.
> I'll remove the advertising clause and use the nwe ASF license if
> we can come to some basic understanding about the future. That
> includes deciding that we do want to continue to support people
> like AltaVista.
We already stated that! Gawd, I'm so tired of repeating the same thing to
you over and over.
> Instead of working to rewrite WM, I would like to put the WM code
> into your tree and work on adding your improvements to it. The
> difference is subtle but important: We will be supporting and
> improving an *existing* user base, rather than trying to copy
> soemthing.
No. I already told you that isn't going to work that way.
> WebMacro is under the older Apache license with the advertising
> clause, but it *is* the Apache license. I will move to the
> newer apache license if we can agree on the future.
I don't care if you move to the newer Apache license or not!
> Put it this way: I've already proven here at AltaVista that
> WebMacro is capable of serving 100 million pages per day.
>
> There is no performance issue here. There used to be, but
> it's been solved. At 800 requests per second off a single
> box there just isn't much more performance ou need.
Sure, but according to Jason, we already have that in Velocity without even
tuning it yet!
> I can't come and join you unless I can bring my users and know that
> I haven't let them down: they must *immediately* be fully supported,
> with a mature project and a stable code base.
Then you have a problem to resolve, but that isn't up to us to help you
resolve it.
> We have to start from WM and add on Velocity stuff, like your parser.
-1. I don't think it is a good idea to start with WM's baggage. It was time
for a WM re-write anyway.
> Otherwise I am setting back all my users, and my customers, and people
> like AltaVista, way back. JSP will snap up most of those people while
> we sit around trying to get back to where WM already is.
Your FUD for the amount of time that it will take doesn't fly around here.
You have absolutely no concept about the amount of work we can get done and
in what amount of time.
-jon
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