Hi,

Es sprach Jorge Godoy:
> You misread me.  I said "of course it does" to his statement that for
> personal
> use it isn't needed to release code.

you're right. I read "A GPL framework doesn't compel you [...]" - "Of
course it does." as if you were not agreeing to Ben. You meant
"As a framework for running your own sites and services, GPL works fine."
- "Of course it does.". I'm sorry for this misunderstanding.

>> And as much as I can understand that you don't want to use GPLed
>> frameworks because you don't want your own code to be GPLed, I
>> fail to see how the GPL could be "more evil" then a closed source
>> license...
>
> He didn't said more evil.  He's worried with the same things I am:
> distributing your project with whatever license you want to use instead of
> being forced to use GPL.

My point is that if the project is GPLed your may use it and are forced
into using the GPL as well, if it's close sourced you can't use it at all.
So, what's better? Now, Bob complained that CleverHarold is "against the
spirit of everything else it builds upon". Now, the spirit of the MIT/BSD
licenses is that I'm free (and even encouraged) to use it in my closed
source projects, so I fail to see how using those projects inside a GPLed
project could be "against the spirit [...]".

Of course, if you want to distribute your project with whatever license
you want, just don't include GPLed Libs/Frameworks (as well as closed
sourced ones...), case closed. All I wanted to say, that the creator
of CleverHarold is perfectly entitled to distribute his project whith
whatever licnese *he* wants to use as well. If you don't like it, don't
use it. But don't complain about him excercising the same rights that
you'd like to have. And yes, you (Jorge) didn't, but Bob's "against the
spirit" is a complaint.

Here's another thing: I don't buy into the argument, that the project
should fail because it's GPLed (see Bob's first mail): I know as many
people who would never contribute to a GPLed project as I know people
who would never contribute to a BSD/MIT licensed project.

Then again, CleverHarold will probably go the sub way (pun inteded),
because there are too many more mature frameworks around. But we'll
see...

Cheers,
  --Jan Niklas

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