I'm sorry this is such a rant, but it's how I'm feeling right now.

I live behind a corporate NAT/firewall so the automated ez-install
download system is no use. The only alternative seems to be to manualy
download about a hundred (realy!) little eggs and tar files, not all of
which I may need because many of them are for older versions of Python
or for the Mac, so I have to hand-pick my way through them. But do I
actualy need all of them for the auto-installer to work and pick
through them for me? Do I need all th actuale Turbogears tarballs, or
just the latest one? I'm lost.

Argh! What's so evil about putting a single zip/gzip file up there for
download? Maybe real developers roll their own install scripts, or
something. This is turning what should be a strength of TG - the fact
that it leverages many 'best of breed' tools - into a serious
disadvantege because if you're not on a bare internet connection you
have to go pickying about to download all these fiddly little bits and
set them all up.

I've had the download problem with other projects too, it's as though
if you've got an actual job and live behind a corporate firewall you
can get knotted. I want to do an evalution of Django and TG for a
project, but even to take a look at TG I've got to jump through all
sorts of contorted hoops.

I was going to start with TG as it looks very attractive, and then
maybe look at Django, but as that's just a single dowload and off you
go I think I'll do it the other way around. This is a serious problem.
If I do select TG for a project, the chances are by the time we start
real development I'll have to do this all over again. If the install
process is so awkward, what about the upgrade process? It doesn't
inspire confidence in future version management and maintainability
either. I'm sure the easy install system is wonderful for those that
can use it, but that does me and people in my situation no favours
whatsoever.


Simon Hibbs


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