I agree - I can't use TG at work at all; and trying to have a discussion 
with IS about their blocking policy is not worth the breath....

Matt

Simon Hibbs wrote:
> I'm sorry this is such a rant, but it's how I'm feeling right now.
> 
> I live behind a corporate NAT/firewall so the automated ez-install
> download system is no use. The only alternative seems to be to manualy
> download about a hundred (realy!) little eggs and tar files, not all of
> which I may need because many of them are for older versions of Python
> or for the Mac, so I have to hand-pick my way through them. But do I
> actualy need all of them for the auto-installer to work and pick
> through them for me? Do I need all th actuale Turbogears tarballs, or
> just the latest one? I'm lost.
> 
> Argh! What's so evil about putting a single zip/gzip file up there for
> download? Maybe real developers roll their own install scripts, or
> something. This is turning what should be a strength of TG - the fact
> that it leverages many 'best of breed' tools - into a serious
> disadvantege because if you're not on a bare internet connection you
> have to go pickying about to download all these fiddly little bits and
> set them all up.
> 
> I've had the download problem with other projects too, it's as though
> if you've got an actual job and live behind a corporate firewall you
> can get knotted. I want to do an evalution of Django and TG for a
> project, but even to take a look at TG I've got to jump through all
> sorts of contorted hoops.
> 
> I was going to start with TG as it looks very attractive, and then
> maybe look at Django, but as that's just a single dowload and off you
> go I think I'll do it the other way around. This is a serious problem.
> If I do select TG for a project, the chances are by the time we start
> real development I'll have to do this all over again. If the install
> process is so awkward, what about the upgrade process? It doesn't
> inspire confidence in future version management and maintainability
> either. I'm sure the easy install system is wonderful for those that
> can use it, but that does me and people in my situation no favours
> whatsoever.
> 
> 
> Simon Hibbs
> 
> 
> > 

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