On 9/27/07, Simon Laws <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 9/27/07, Paul Fremantle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > How about > > > > charged with the creation and maintenance of open source software that: > > * simplifies the development of service oriented applications, > > * implements the SCA standards as defined by the OpenCSA group at OASIS, > > and > > * provides a managed service-oriented runtime for services and > > applications. > > > > I actually think you had a pretty good text already. > > > > Paul > > > > On 9/27/07, ant elder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I know you're good at words so how about help come up with a good > > > description for the TLP proposal of what Tuscany is about? > > > > > > > > > http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/TUSCANYWIKI/Draft+TLP+Resolution > > > > > > Which currently just says "open-source software that simplifies > > development > > > and management of applications using a service oriented approach" > > > > > > ...ant > > > > > > > > > On 9/27/07, Paul Fremantle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Guys > > > > > > > > Sorry to be so quiet on this thread! How can I help? > > > > > > > > Paul > > > > > > > > On 9/27/07, Venkata Krishnan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Seems ok to me.. .may be we could say 'embedded in app servers > like > > > > Tomcat > > > > > and Geronimo' (just to bring in the connecting that we are doing > > with > > > > other > > > > > Apache projects. Yes, should be good to talk about Open CSA to > > throw > > > > some > > > > > light on the openess and standardization path that we are treading > > on. > > > > > > > > > > - Venkat > > > > > > > > > > On 9/27/07, ant elder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > This first part seems like a big improvement to me: > > > > > > > > > > > > "open-source software that simplifies development and management > > of > > > > > > applications using service oriented approach." > > > > > > > > > > > > I've updated the text on the wiki to say that, I'm not so sure > > about > > > > "The > > > > > > lightweight, extensible runtime can be embedded or used > > stand-alone." > > > > that > > > > > > may be getting a bit to much in to implementation details, what > do > > > > other > > > > > > think? Should we mention OASIS Open CSA? > > > > > > > > > > > > ...ant > > > > > > > > > > > > On 9/27/07, haleh mahbod <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is an attempt to clarify the description a bit more. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Old description: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best > > > > > > > interests of the Foundation and consistent with the > > > > > > > Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management > > > > > > > Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of > > > > > > > open-source software related to infrastructure that simplifies > > > > > > > the development of service-based application networks and > > > > > > > addresses real business problems posed in SOA, for > distribution > > > > > > > at no charge to the public. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suggestion: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best > > > > > > > interests of the Foundation and consistent with the > > > > > > > Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management > > > > > > > Committee charged with creation and maintenance of > > > > > > > open-source software that simplifies development and > management > > of > > > > > > > applications using service oriented approach. The lightweight, > > > > > > extensible > > > > > > > runtime can be embedded or used stand-alone. This software is > > for > > > > > > > distribution at no charge to the public. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 9/24/07, Matthieu Riou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 9/24/07, Luciano Resende <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have reviewed and updated our STATUS file [1] and Status > > page > > > > > > (that > > > > > > > > > should be refreshed soon) [2] with latest and missing > news. > > > > Please > > > > > > let > > > > > > > > > me know if I missed something :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Looks good, it's great that you revived this thread! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any other task from the Graduation checklist [4] that I > could > > help > > > > ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You could maybe start a separate thread to discuss the > > resolution > > > > > > draft? > > > > > > > > Is > > > > > > > > everybody happy with the description? Also it's a detail but > > the > > > > > > common > > > > > > > > practice is usually to list people Apache e-mail address (@ > > > > apache.org) > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > the PMC as it gives the apache id. You have a nice > collection > > of > > > > gmail > > > > > > > > addresses though ;) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Matthieu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1] > https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/tuscany/STATUS > > > > > > > > > [2] http://incubator.apache.org/projects/tuscany.html > > > > > > > > > [3] http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html > > > > > > > > > [4] > http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation#checklist > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 9/13/07, Matthieu Riou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Guys, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm definitely +1 for both graduation and ant as the > > chair. > > > > For > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > tasks, > > > > > > > > > > as ant mentioned the graduation guide [1] is definitely > a > > good > > > > > > read. > > > > > > > A > > > > > > > > > few > > > > > > > > > > additional details: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * In your resolution, one of the most important parts > is > > the > > > > > > > > > description. > > > > > > > > > > Don't be too broad, you can eventually expand the scope > > later > > > > on > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > necessary (simple request/ack to the board). Right now > the > > > > wording > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > but a bit too "fuzzy" I think. It's also good to add a > > > > statement > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > > > the project can interact or play with other projects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * The other important parts of the resolution are the > > chair > > > > and > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > PMC > > > > > > > > > > list. Look like you're pretty much set on that side. You > > can > > > > > > choose > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > extend the PMC too, and add committers that aren't in > the > > PPMC > > > > yet > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > deserve to. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Make sure that your project status page is up-to-date > > [2] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Once you're set, you can start a formal vote on the > board > > > > > > resolution > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > community. Then you'll ask for the incubator vote. > You'll > > also > > > > > > have > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > the board schedule into account. Usually meetings are > the > > > > third > > > > > > > > > Wednesday of > > > > > > > > > > each month so it's too late for this month but you could > > be in > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > shape > > > > > > > > > > for October (should be the 17th). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers! > > > > > > > > > > Matthieu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1] http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation .html > > > > > > > > > > [2] http://incubator.apache.org/projects/tuscany.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 9/12/07, Mike Edwards < > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Folks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > +1. +1. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can we start to identify work tasks to get us there > and > > then > > > > > > start > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > parcel out work amongst folk on the project? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yours, Mike. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ant elder wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > So how about trying to graduate Tuscany from the > > > > Incubator? > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We seem close though there are a few things to sort > > out so > > > > it > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > couple of months to get ready. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There's a draft proposal at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/TUSCANYWIKI/Draft+TLP+Resolution > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > > > > > > we probably need to work on the description which is > > just > > > > > > taken > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > website home page: "open-source software related to > > > > > > > infrastructure > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > simplifies the development of service-based > > application > > > > > > networks > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > addresses real business problems posed in SOA". We > > also > > > > need a > > > > > > > bit > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > diversity in the initial PMC members listed in the > > > > proposal > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > > > > current PPMC members. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd like to volunteer to be chair. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a graduation guide at > > > > > > > > > > > > http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ..ant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > Luciano Resende > > > > > > > > > Apache Tuscany Committer > > > > > > > > > http://people.apache.org/~lresende > > > > > > > > > http://lresende.blogspot.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Paul Fremantle > > > > Co-Founder and VP of Technical Sales, WSO2 > > > > OASIS WS-RX TC Co-chair > > > > > > > > blog: http://pzf.fremantle.org > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > "Oxygenating the Web Service Platform", www.wso2.com > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Paul Fremantle > > Co-Founder and VP of Technical Sales, WSO2 > > OASIS WS-RX TC Co-chair > > > > blog: http://pzf.fremantle.org > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > "Oxygenating the Web Service Platform", www.wso2.com > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Hi Paul > > That better captures the points I think. We could turn the bullet points > into a sentence for the resolution.... > > ... simplifies the development of service oriented applications, based on > the standards being defined within the OASIS OpenCSA section, and provides > a > managed service-oriented runtime. > > Not sure about the "for services and applications." bit . What's the > distinction between services and applications? >
Maybe it could help to look at what other projects have done so here's what the last few projects graduating as TLP have said: ServiceMix: http://marc.info/?l=incubator-general&m=118526235908513&w=2 and http://marc.info/?t=118422607900004&r=1&w=2 ...establish a Project, to be known as Apache ServiceMix Project", related to an extensible messaging bus for service integration, mediation and composition and its related components, for distribution at no charge to the public Ode: http://marc.info/?t=118400966500003&r=1&w=2 ...establish a Project Management Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of open-source software related to business process management (BPM), workflow and process automation, for distribution at no charge to the public. OpenJPA: http://marc.info/?l=incubator-general&m=117738670631558&w=3 ...the creation and maintenance of open-source software related to enterprise application and remoting services, for distribution at no charge to the public. Wicket: http://marc.info/?t=118002530700005&r=1&w=2 ...related to the creation and maintenance of open source software, grounded in object oriented programming principles, for creating highly dynamic, component oriented web applications for distribution at no charge to the public. Felix: http://marc.info/?t=116897788600001&r=1&w=2 ...implementing the OSGi Service Platform and other software that is associated with or related to the OSGi Service Platform for distribution at no charge to the public. Roller: http://marc.info/?t=117042796300006&r=1&w=2 ...the creation and maintenance of open-source software related to the Roller blog server, for distribution at no charge to the public ...ant
