On 2/7/07, Jean-Sebastien Delfino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

haleh mahbod wrote:
> +1 for moving to cwiki. Much easier to use.
>
> On 2/7/07, Rick Rineholt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> I have found having too many sources 2 wikis, the web site, doco
checked
>> in to svn to be a major confusion and a general appearance
>> disorganization. I think we should at the very least now retire one of
>> the wiki sites.  I'm for moving to cwiki.
>> Venkata Krishnan wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > I guess the website and the wiki are both needed and am very much in
>> line
>> > with Dan's thoughts on what should go into each of this.
>> >
>> > I guess its now a question of whether we want to move our content
>> out of
>> > that old wike over CWIKI.  I'd say we must go with CWIKI which is a
>> > lot more
>> > pleasant to look and feel.
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> >
>> > - Venkat
>> >
>> >
>> > On 2/8/07, Jean-Sebastien Delfino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Dan Murphy wrote:
>> >> > Similar to Haleh's opinion... a hybrid of web and wiki seems to
>> make
>> >> > sense
>> >> > -  use the web site for fairly static content but link from the
>> >> website
>> >> > directly to appropriate places in the wiki where the content is
>> likely
>> >> to
>> >> > change or hasn't fully been decided yet.
>> >> >
>> >> > For example, we could remove the "how to build, test and deploy
>> Java
>> >> SCA"
>> >> > off of the web site and instead link from the web page to a wiki
>> page.
>> >> > (IMHO) it becomes easier to maintain...  perhaps if/when it
settles
>> >> > down (or
>> >> > @ V1) we could merge it back into the web site. I'd be happy to
>> help
>> >> > maintain this because I can edit the wiki - for me to contribute
to
>> >> > the web
>> >> > site takes much more effort... perhaps this isn't so important to
>> >> > others who
>> >> > are already committers...
>> >> >
>> >> > Dan
>> >> >
>> >> > On 07/02/07, haleh mahbod <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Rick had asked earlier  "Two concerns come to mind if we make THE
>> >> >> website:
>> >> >> Is it backed up? can we get past revisions if needed ?  Currently
>> our
>> >> >> website is
>> >> >> in svn which covers that.
>> >> >> The other is we have had past complaints that the site was not
>> >> "fancy"
>> >> >> organized
>> >> >> etc, are we confident this wiki can handle this?"
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Is Confluence backed up regularly?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Does it make sense to leave the website skeleton as is and move
>> all
>> >> >> documents to confluence WIKI? For example  FAQ, design docs,
>> release
>> >> >> information and downloads, etc.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> It took us a while to get the website look and feel to where it
is
>> >> right
>> >> >> now
>> >> >> and this is not the part that needs to be changed that often. We
>> >> should
>> >> >> not
>> >> >> move it until we have a good replacement.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On 2/6/07, Venkata Krishnan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Hi Kelvin,
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > In my perception, we are moving over to the Confluence wiki -
>> >> >> > CWIKI.  Infact
>> >> >> > some of the recent updates such as things we aspire to do for
>> >> SCA M3,
>> >> >> some
>> >> >> > documentation on SCA Deployment and FAQs have already found
>> place
>> >> >> there.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Thanks
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > - Venkat
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > On 2/6/07, kelvin goodson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > As I'm updating a page on our old wiki,  I'm wondering where
>> >> we are
>> >> >> with
>> >> >> > > this and whether I should be migrating the content?
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > Kelvin.
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > On 24/01/07, Raymond Feng <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > > Hi,
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > > FYI, I have added "edit" permissions to all registered
>> users.
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > > Thanks,
>> >> >> > > > Raymond
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > > ----- Original Message -----
>> >> >> > > > From: "ant elder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >> >> > > > To: <[email protected]>
>> >> >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 4:59 AM
>> >> >> > > > Subject: Re: Move Tuscany wiki to Apache CWIKI?
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > > > On 1/23/07, Raymond Feng <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> >> > > > >
>> >> >> > > > > <snip>
>> >> >> > > > >
>> >> >> > > > > 2) I'm not proposing to change the "edit" policy. The
>> >> >> > > > >> http://cwiki.apache.org/CWIKI/ page also provides some
>> >> >> guidances
>> >> >> > for
>> >> >> > > > >> cases
>> >> >> > > > >> that we use it as a sandbox (open to all registered
>> >> users) or
>> >> >> > > > >> documentation
>> >> >> > > > >> site (open to folks with CLA on file).
>> >> >> > > > >
>> >> >> > > > >
>> >> >> > > > > I also think all our content should be open to any
>> registered
>> >> >> user.
>> >> >> > We
>> >> >> > > > > want
>> >> >> > > > > everyone to help maintain it and thats going be more
>> >> likely to
>> >> >> > happen
>> >> >> > > if
>> >> >> > > > > we
>> >> >> > > > > make it easy for them. Its harder for users to send in
>> >> >> patches for
>> >> >> > the
>> >> >> > > > > wiki
>> >> >> > > > > :)  Can we get update emails sent to the dev list so we
>> >> all can
>> >> >> > > monitor
>> >> >> > > > > the
>> >> >> > > > > changes?
>> >> >> > > > >
>> >> >> > > > >   ...ant
>> >> >> > > > >
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >>
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>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> Looks like a number of projects have already moved their web sites
to
>> >> confluence, including Cayenne, Cxf, Qpid, Directory, Mina, Ode,
>> >> ServiceMix, Felix, Yoko, Wicket...
>> >>
>> >> The whole list is there:
>> >> http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/dashboard.action
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Jean-Sebastien
>> >>
>> >>
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In addition to start moving our current Wiki to CWiki, I think it would
be a good idea to incrementally move parts of the current Web site (and
at some point the whole Web site) to CWiki as well. Cwiki is really easy
to use and I think this will encourage people to contribute more content
to the Web site.

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Jean-Sebastien


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+1 we use a Confluence based site for the PHP SCA/SDO site (
http://www.osoa.org/display/PHP/SOA+PHP+Homepage) and have found it very
satisfactory. Certainly a step up from the existing Apache Wiki in terms of
eas of use and presentation impact.

Simon

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