"Lose Yourself" was most definitely an end-credit song; there's a lyric
that specifically says "This ain't no movie, there ain't no Mekhi Phifer".
Presumably that wouldn't work in context.
And I believe that the Randy Newman songs from the Pixar films are usually
sung by Newman himself (although they don't always go over the end credits
- Toy Story 3's "We Belong Together" runs over the final scenes into the
credits); the exceptions are the reprises of "You've Got a Friend in Me",
sung by Robert Goulet in Toy Story 2 and the Gipsy KIngs in Toy Story 3.
On Thursday, March 1, 2012 6:34:31 PM UTC-6, Mark Jeffries wrote:
>
> A lot of the controversy in Best Song is because of the recent rules
> stating that the song has to be an integral part of the movie, ruling that
> you couldn't nominate a song that only appears in the second half of the
> credits. Now, a song must either be in a prominent place in the film (not
> background source music, for example) clearly heard and with clearly-sung
> lyrics and if it only appears in the end credits, it must be right at the
> top (and I assume that the composers' branch will look kinder at a song
> starting in the last scene and bridging into the credits rather than
> blasting in at the beginning of the crawl--and that's assuming that the
> film has proper titles and not have all of the credits at the end).
>
> In looking at recent years, I don't know the exact reason for the change
> was (since I didn't see the cartoons with nominated songs). They did
> change the rules in 2008 to only have two nominated songs from a film after
> a film with three nominated songs got butt-kicked in the final totals for
> two years in a row ("Dreamgirls" by Melissa Ethridge's theme from "An
> Inconvenient Truth," which has to be the only Oscar-winning song from a
> documentary, and "Enchanted" by "Falling Slowly" from "Once").
>
> As for the winning songs from the last decade, the only songs that *were*
> integral parts of the film in my mind were "Lose Yourself" from "8 Mile"
> (seems to me that Eminem performs that at one of the rap battles), "It's
> Hard Out There for a Pimp" from "Hustle and Flow" (that recording session
> scene), "Falling Slowly" (the whole movie's built around that song), "Jai
> Ho" from "Slumdog Millionaire" (the closing production number) and "The
> Weary Kind" from "Crazy Heart" (Jeff Bridges croaking it on stage). The
> "LOTR" song was Annie Lennox singing over the credits. And does Randy
> Newman sing the Pixar songs or do the characters sing them?
> On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 6:07 PM, Michael <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Mikey-come-lately here.
>>
>> I still can't figure how they only found two songs to nominate, and
>> the winner was the cute-in-context but obvious novelty song from "The
>> Muppets." I always thought (oddities like "It's Hard Out Here for a
>> Pimp" aside) the best-song award was geared to tunes that could become
>> standards or displayed memorable mainstream appeal. Even if the other
>> possible choices weren't chart-toppers, I can't believe there were
>> only two original songs worth nomination out of the scores of films
>> released in 2011..
>>
>> On Feb 27, 3:17 pm, PGage <[email protected]> wrote:
>> > On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 10:56 AM, M-D November <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>> > > For me, nothing spoke to how poorly designed last night's telecast was
>> > > than this:
>> >
>> > > In the first hour alone, there were no fewer than three montages
>> about how
>> > > awesome the movies are, the Christopher Guest day players doing the
>> 'test
>> > > screening' bit, and Cirque. And yet somehow there wasn't time for live
>> > > performances of the TWO "Best Original Song" nominees. I would have
>> rather
>> > > seen Jason Segal perform "Man or Muppet" 10 times than have to sit
>> through
>> > > that Cirque du Soliel crap. They'd have had the time if they'd just
>> cut
>> > > down on a) Billy's vamping, and b) some of the more ridiculous
>> presenter
>> > > moments (RDJ & Paltrow, Emma Stone & Ben Stiller, Will Ferrell & Zach
>> > > "Shaved Yeti" Galafanakis).
>> >
>> > > But at least Bret won his category, so there's something to be said
>> for
>> > > that.
>> >
>> > I had read in advance of the telecast that the omiited the songs not
>> > because of time, but to avoid drawing attention to the fact that they
>> only
>> > found 2 songs to nominate.
>> >
>> > I read a lot of griping last night about the montages - these did not
>> > bother me. I liked the reels of actors talking a bit about the movies,
>> and
>> > I never mind a montage or two of great movie moments. The Oscars are
>> > nothing after all if not one giant commerical for movies (which made the
>> > whole Sasha Cohen thing a giant joke). I could have used less Billy -
>> but
>> > then, if you go out and make a big deal of getting him, you might as
>> well
>> > use him. I guess we are all getting old, but he really has begun to come
>> > off like Bob Hope.
>> >
>> > I don't think the focus on going out to the movies was funereal, or new
>> > this year, or even particularly underlined this year. For a few years
>> they
>> > have been using the Oscars to try to make the point that films are best
>> > seen in the theatre, not on televisions, computers, iPads, or phones.
>> This
>> > is also something of a joke, since most of the academy members probably
>> saw
>> > most of the films they voted on (or rather, most of the films they
>> actually
>> > saw at all) outside of a theatre, but that is something else. They are
>> > coming off of a down box office year, so I guess they might have been a
>> > little more desperate than usual. I enjoy going out to the movies, so I
>> am
>> > not irritated by this message. I do wish they would spent more time
>> > convincing exhibitors that they need to recreate that classic old time
>> > ambiance that they tried to fabricate during the show.
>>
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