On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 8:17 AM, donz5 <[email protected]> wrote: > On Jan 6, 11:36 pm, PGage <[email protected]> wrote: > > I know there is at least one person here who knows the answer to this > > question: Who were the two guests already seated when Dave first appeared > > on the Tonight Show (they showed the clip, and it looked like James > Garner > > and some dark haired woman I could not place - maybe Natalie Wood, or was > > she dead already?) > > The Carson site used to include a substantial show log, but it > disappeared when the site became a solely marketing pitch. So no help > there anymore. But Wikipedia has the guests for Dave's first > appearance (11/24/78) as Ellen Burstyn. No other male guest besides > Dave mentioned. > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Tonight_Show_Starring_Johnny_Carson_episodes > > But I wouldn't take Wiki's list as definitive. > > One detail I found striking in both the Colbert and Letterman > interviews was their emphasis on "joy" rather than "happiness." > Colbert and Winfrey spent some time exploring the differences between > those two emotions, but Dave volunteered the word on his own (I forget > the context in which it was used.) > > As far as how Dave handles celebrity scandals, the first night after > the dam broke, Dave's first two or three jokes involved various sex > romps with famous folk, but then he'd stop in mid-sentence each time, > self-mocking the hypocrisy he was about to commit. And that became the > joke in itself. > > > The woman could have been a young Burstyn, but she seemed to be the second guest. Dave seemed to be the third guest, and there was a man sitting to the right of the woman on the couch who looked very much like Garner, though there was no clear shot of his face in the brief clip they showed on Oprah (with Dave sitting down and just starting to talk to Johnny).
I thought that joy connection between Colbert and Dave was interesting too. Acccording to the transcript linked by Joe, here is they Joy discussion with Dave, initiated when she asked him if she had regained Regina's trust after the sex scandal broke: ******************************** "Letterman: That‘s what I’m still doing. I’m still doing it each and every day, in big ways and in small ways, and get the reward of a relationship I’ve never experienced before in my life, nor did I ever think was possible. Winfrey: Did it bring you closer? Letterman: Absolutely. Absolutely. We went through this together. We have that in common. And I’m telling you, it’s great. My life is fun and full of joy now, that I only pretended at before. So how about that. Winfrey: So she’s forgiven you? Letterman: She has forgiven me. Winfrey: Have you forgiven you? Letterman: No. I don’t have that luxury. I have to figure out what I did, why I did it, and live with it. But I can’t forgive that behavior. Like I said, I’m at the top of the flow-chart. It’s my fault. Everything. But anything that pushes you in the right direction can’t be such a bad thing, right? Winfrey: Right. Because this happened you’re now going to therapy once a week, you’ve opened up in [new] ways. You just said it, "That’s IT, Dave." That’s our whole goal in life, is to bring more joy. Would you say, as a result of this incident, you are able to feel more joy working on yourse Letterman: Yeah. All credit to my wife, though...." ******************************** Oprah is spoiling this a little with her triumphant therapeutic, but a lot less than I would have expected her to, and less than she did when Colbert brought it up. This is also interesting in terms of what Dave has said over the last few years about how he does his show, and compared and contrased with what Conan and Fallon have said in their respective Nerdist interviews. Conan said when he was younger he would rather be funny than happy, and Dave has said similar things; both are now basically saying they are not willing to give every last ounce of their life blood to the show, and have learned the value of reserving some time and energy for working on their relationships with wives and children. I know some people think Dave is less funny, and is bored and just phoning the show in, because he does not spend every waking moment at the theatre and office working on pretaped and remote bits; I just think it is Dave (and now Conan) appropriately transiitioning into a different phase of thier career. It would be wierd if he did the same show at age 65 that he did at 35 or even 45. OTOH, Fallon was all like "my life is the show, and I'm here till after midnight working on the remotes, and on weekends, and will do anything to make the show better" - which is maybe appropriate to the stage of his career. -- TV or Not TV .... The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TV or Not TV" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en
