Cosby said reporters who ask about the allegations lack integrity. Meanwhile two more women came forward today. Watch the Cosby video interview with this story. http://www.vox.com/xpress/2014/11/20/7253047/cosby-rape-interview-video
Sent from Blue Mail On Nov 19, 2014, 11:49 AM, at 11:49 AM, David Lynch <[email protected]> wrote: >When the Jian Ghomeshi case blew up and there was a lot of very similar >talk about how a lot of people in the media seemed to know and accept >as >true that he had been violent with his sexual partners but nobody had >published because they were just gossip, a friend made a good comment >that >"gossip" is the word that people use when low-status people share >information about high-status people. > >"Gossip" or "rumors" also get used a lot as weasel words that let >people >discredit or dismiss these claims implicitly and provide plausible >deniability to the idea that the dismissal is being done, particularly >when >it is something like this which primarily pit one person's word against >another person's public image. I did that myself a couple of years ago, >the >first time I heard that people had accused Cosby of wrongdoing. I've >also >seen a lot of it in this thread. But there comes a point where the >evidence >or the volume of stories mounts enough that you have to get off of that >fence, even if all you can really say at the level of the journalistic >burden of proof is that the allegation has been made, and I feel like >we >were there before Scott Simon's interview was broadcast. > >With where things stand now, there seem to only be two possible options >for >the truth in this case: either Bill Cosby drugged and assaulted >multiple >women in multiple incidents over the span of decades, or more than a >dozen >women have decided to tell the same lie when they have little or >nothing to >gain and much to lose by telling this story (whether that story is >truthful >or not.) There doesn't even seem to be room for "he says this, she says >that, the reality might be somewhere in between" on this one anymore. > > >On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 12:07 PM, Tom Wolper <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 11:35 PM, PGage <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 4:40 PM, Kevin M. <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> All analogies are imperfect, I grant you, but it is far from false. >For >>>>> instance, you don't need to search far to find people who claim to >have >>>>> witnessed Obama's birth in Kenya, or to view the "authentic" >Kenyan birth >>>>> certificate on the internet. And I want to emphasize that I'm not >>>>> attempting to defend a potential rapist; I'm merely pointing out >that >>>>> people saying somebody did something isn't actually evidence they >did >>>>> something, and without any research on the part of a reporter to >verify the >>>>> claims, it is wrong to confront someone with accusations that have >not been >>>>> vetted. Simon wasn't being a journalist when he asked the >question; he was >>>>> being TMZ. >>>>> >>>> >>> But - we are not talking about internet claims that Cosby raped some >>> women. We are talking about real women, who we know had real >relationships >>> with Cosby, who made formal, sworn statements during a legal >proceeding. >>> Again, that is not enough to convict him of a crime, and I reject >the >>> claims of some who are now referring to Cosby as a serial rapist, >but the >>> record is far more substantial than simply internet gossip. >>> >> >> The way our minds work is that we take facts or pieces of information >we >> learn and form them into narratives. And from observing the >discussion >> here, what we have is a clash of narratives rather than a clash of >facts. >> >> The reason I bring this up is that we see the Cosby case as a >continuation >> of similar narratives whether the facts fit or not. Onr recent story >which >> shows some insight to me is the Jerry Sandusky story from Penn State. >In >> most ways the stories are different - Sandusky happened within State >> College, PA while Cosby was all over the place, the trigger for the >> Sandusky story going public was a state prosecutor's report saying >that >> victims' allegations, while also were more than a decade old, merited >a >> court's attention which hasn't happened to Cosby, and the public idol >taken >> down was Joe Paterno, not the accused. But the thing about the >Sandusky >> story that resonates is that once the story was out and proven many >sports >> journalists in western PA who covered Penn State over the years said >that >> it was common knowledge about Sandusky but nobody could publish >anything >> because it was all gossip until the prosecutor's report. >> >> I don't know if charges will be brought against Cosby. Because >Sandusky >> assaulted children there was no statute of limitations. But if the >victims' >> stories are substantiated, there will be no end of entertainment >> journalists (or maybe "journalists") who will claim that they knew >for >> years about Cosby. >> >> -- >> -- >> TV or Not TV .... The Smartest (TV) People! >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "TV or Not TV" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected] >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >Groups >> "TVorNotTV" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >send an >> email to [email protected]. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > > >-- >David J. Lynch >[email protected] > >-- >-- >TV or Not TV .... 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