That is interesting- I wonder if the difference is due to discipline or country? In the US, a person who earns their JD is a lawyer, whether or not they have passed the bar and are able to practice law. SImilarly, someone who earns their MD is a doctor, even before they pass the licensing exam (similarly with Psychology).
This does create the kind of confusion we have had here - McGraw can accurately present himself as "Doctor", leading his TV audience to think he is a licensed professional (the small print scrolling quickly after this show explains (does he still have a show on the air?) that he is not licensed, and is only an entertainer, but of course few notice this. I should note an informal but important caveat: In many (most?) teaching hospitals, the term "Doctor" is used by and around patients to refer to the role and function, not the degree. So a 4th year medical student doing a clinical rotation, who has not yet earned their degree, is usually referred to as "Doctor" by both patients and nurses (at least when the latter are in the presence of patients). This no doubt it in the service of the ongoing mystification of patients, so that they ascribe god-like powers to anyone treating them. On Sunday, 25 September 2016, Doug Eastick <[email protected]> wrote: > > Technically, being a "doctor" is a function of education and degree > earned (medical or academic), whether or not one has a license. > > That's in interesting Dr thing. In the Engineering profession (at least > in Ontario Canada) you can only be called/marketed/represent an Engineer if > you are licensed. An education is one of the pre-req's of licensing. My > son graduated engineering ~2 years ago and is still working on his required > "4 years of professional experience" towards licensing. He can only > represent himself as an EIT (Engineer In Training, I think). > > I'm not familiar with the US/state regulations. > > Bringing this back to Dr...... a person with a PhD in Engineering gets to > be called Dr. Engineer. That's not me. > > > > > > On Sun, Sep 25, 2016 at 6:16 PM, PGage <[email protected] > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>> wrote: > >> He never had a medical license - he had a psychology license (he is a >> clinical psychologist). He gave up his license some years ago because he >> was not always playing within the lines of the American Psychological >> Association guidelines, and his entertainment work put him at risk for >> violating the terms of his license. >> >> Technically, being a "doctor" is a function of education and degree >> earned (medical or academic), whether or not one has a license. >> >> On Sun, Sep 25, 2016 at 3:08 PM, Kevin M. <[email protected] >> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>> wrote: >> >>> I thought he voluntarily forfeited his medical license to get out of the >>> multiple lawsuits against him by guests of his talk show? 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