On Sat, Feb 18, 2017 at 7:37 PM, PGage <[email protected]> wrote: > I, OTOH, have never been a fan of Maher. But I have thought of him as a > smart enough broadcaster to know that "Milo" is not smart or funny enough > to make it worth his while to establish any kind of "at least were both > courageous enough to criticize Muslims" schtick. Of course for Maher that > is just a subset of his anti-religion fetish. Which is the basis of my mild > interest in this question; is it possible that Mahr's obsessive hatred of > anything religious is so extreme, irrational and rigid that he would > genuinely look to someone as pathetic and inadequate as "Milo" for an ally? > I have to think not, and that he just thought he might as well mine him for > whatever curiosity ratings points he might still have. >
Years of watching TV detective shows has taught me that the "why"... the intent... is always the hardest thing to prove. Your theory about hoping for a ratings boost (due to the curiosity factor) might be valid. I suspect if there is any sort of kindred feelings, it is merely that Maher has felt persecuted in the past for saying unpopular (offensive) things, and he wants to stand by others who also speak unpopular opinions and face backlash. What seems to be impossible for Maher to accept, and again the parallel between he and Trump is clear, is there is a difference between an unpopular view backed up by evidence versus an unpopular view based on nothing at all... or worse, based on a very narrow frame of reference. I sometimes stumble upon someone on Twitter, a college professor at a major university who believes gay people should not be parents. His singular reasoning for this is that he was raised in a dysfunctional home by two lesbians. He had a bad experience; therefore all children of gay parents must have bad experiences. You cannot point out there are multitudes of dysfunctional heterosexual households to him, because he won't see anything beyond his own perspective. Granted, he is an extreme example, but Maher and Milo are also extremists. Maher was pulled from ABC because of controversial things said on his old show -- the White House spokesman at the time called him out by name -- I couldn't begin to understand the impact that would have on a person, but it clearly hardened Maher. When his anti-Islamic views got him dropped from speaking at Berkeley last year, it clearly pissed him off further. So now, like Trump, he plays the victim when he isn't one at all. Milo does the same thing; he verbally attacks people, and when people react to him, he plays it as if their reactions were unprovoked and he's merely, to borrow a phrase, telling it like it is. So now they come together, as do so many other idiots that Maher provides airtime to. I've said before here and elsewhere, everyone is NOT entitled to their opinion; everyone is entitled to their INFORMED opinion. I've known too many Muslims to consider them "the enemy." I've known too many gays, blacks, Christians, and atheists to consider them enemies, either. Ignorance is an enemy. Fear is an enemy. Anger is an enemy. Hatred is an enemy. Maher and Milo (and Trump) thrive on ignorance, fear, anger, and hatred. That's what Americans are now fighting against, whether they know it or not. > > > > On Sat, Feb 18, 2017 at 7:18 PM Kevin M. <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On Sat, Feb 18, 2017 at 7:06 PM, PGage <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> The only thing I am even mildly interested in is whether Maher ever >> really thought there might be some common "politically incorrect" ground >> between him and this guy, or was he just using him to pimp his numbers. I >> actually would have more (or at least, some) respect for Maher if it was >> the latter. >> >> >> Sadly, their common ground is their mutual disdain for Muslims, though >> Milo spends more of his time hating those within his own LGBTQ community. >> He was notoriously banned from Twitter last year for racist and incendiary >> comments about Leslie Jones, one of the costars of the Ghostbusters reboot. >> Both engage in ugly rhetoric about people they dislike... you either agree >> with them or you're stupid... that sort of thing. Much like our current >> commander in chief, both men rely on false statistics or outright lies to >> back up their beliefs. Milo is more to the liking of the so-called >> alt-right (Nazis, bigots, et al) because he is (unknowingly or not) >> self-hating, in desperate need for attention, and verbally attacks others >> to puff up his own ego. Maher is more to the liking of the so-called >> new-atheists (anti-Islam, bigots, et al) because he is (unknowingly or not) >> self-hating, in desperate need for attention, and verbally attacks others >> to puff up his own ego. >> >> I was a longtime fan of Maher for decades. Now, if I met him, I'd >> probably punch him in his smug, pretentious face. I was never a fan of >> Milo, and I suspect my reaction to meeting him would be the same as if I >> met Maher. So, again, there is common ground. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sat, Feb 18, 2017 at 11:40 AM Mark Jeffries <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> The video has been pulled, presumably by HBO. Don't know if HBO has >> posted their version yet. >> >> One writer out there says that the schmuck was trying to take on the Bugs >> Bunny "ain't I a stinker?" position. Mr. Y, I know Bugs Bunny. Bugs Bunny >> is a friend of mine and millions of others. You, sir, are no Bugs Bunny. >> In the words of Yosemite Sam, vamoose, varmint. >> >> Mark Jeffries >> Saints Spotlight Editor >> [email protected] >> >> On Sat, Feb 18, 2017 at 1:10 PM, Melissa P <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> I wasn't impressed. Vapid and shallow, and really not even funny. Leah >> Remini made better use of her time on the show. >> >> >> >> *From:* [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] *On >> Behalf Of *Jon Delfin >> *Sent:* Saturday, February 18, 2017 2:00 PM >> *To:* tvornottv >> *Subject:* Re: [TV orNotTV] Frequent Maher guest bolts >> >> >> >> Okay, I took one for the team, and *didn't* fast-forward through the >> interview segment with MY. I'm with Maher on this -- given the opportunity, >> he showed himself to be a horse's ass. He thinks he's a >> firebrand/provocateur, but he ain't. He's just a younger, louder, funnier >> version of Jack Kingston (who also made a fool of himself whenever he >> opened his mouth and tried to KellyAnne his way around topics). >> >> >> >> On Sat, Feb 18, 2017 at 2:17 AM, Kevin M. <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> Maher has the "courage" to have guests like Milo and Sam Harris who agree >> with his prejudices about Islam. >> >> When will HBO be done with this putz? >> >> >> >> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 10:54 PM, Steve Timko <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> Larry Wilmore is there. And he tells Milo to go screw himself. >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PUu6M8ThhM >> >> >> On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 8:19 PM, Bob Jersey <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > >> > Jeremy Scahill (TheIntercept.com) won't be on with Bill this week, after >> > learning the prime guest (interviewed separately, one-on-one) is >> Breitbart >> > editor Milo Yiannopoulos, infamously canned from Twitter for attacks on >> > Leslie Jones, and whom Scahill expects to spew more hateful stuff... as >> if >> > Leah Remini on the panel wasn't bold enough... >> > >> > Deadline (link) >> > >> > B >> > >> >> -- >> -- >> TV or Not TV .... 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