But I dont mean what do they do with them eventually, I mean what do they do with them immediately after the award is announced? Every second they are out in the open after that is begging for this kind of mistake. I have to think the problem began with not disposing of the duplicate envelope properly once Stone's name was read.
On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 8:31 PM Kevin M. <[email protected]> wrote: > Considering all the NDAs I had to sign when I worked on all the awards > shows, I could tell you what they do with the duplicate envelopes... but > then I'd have to kill you. Trust me, the answer is boring anyway. > > On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 8:19 PM PGage <[email protected]> wrote: > > Well yes, this is obviously getting a lot more attention than it deserves, > even if you grant the Oscars any significance, which I do. The real story > is that film as really fine as Moonlight won the award, against all odds. > > But I do think it is worthy of some discussion. The underlying issue for > the Academy is the integrity of the process. The integrity is undermined > when an award is officially announced, then taken back and given to someone > else. Its not a tragedy, but it is the kind of thing that, if your job is > organizing the Oscars, you want to be real sure never ever happens again. > > I am interested in what the procedure was supposed to be. I also read > elsewhere that the senior Price Waterhouse guy was supposed to go out on > stage, and the mistake was not that he went out, but that he did not go out > soon enough (apparently he was the one who gave Warren the wrong envelope). > But I am also interested in what is *supposed* to happen to the duplicate > envelope. It simply cant be that the one that doesnt get used is kept in > the accountants hand all night - if so, this mistake would have happened > several times already. Surely there must be a box where they put the unused > envelope, and this guy just forgot to do it. > > > > > On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 2:32 PM Tom Wolper <[email protected]> wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 10:50 AM, Joe Hass <[email protected]> wrote: > > PwC admitted the same in an apology late Monday via tweet: > https://twitter.com/PwC_LLP/status/836411572591464448 > > The interesting part for me is in this Times article from yesterday, where > the head of PwC said when he saw Culliman and Ruiz from his seat at the > ceremony, he knew something was wrong because "It’s not their job to come > out on stage." This goes against what I was under the impression, which was > that had something like this occurred, the PwC people would, in fact, > literally come on stage to announce the winner. > > The geek in me is now curious what the proper protocol was. > > > I have to vent somewhere so it might as well be here: a mistake was made > and quickly corrected. Nothing bad happened to anybody. There are mistakes > made in every day life like a wrong limb being amputated or a drone strike > that kills civilians and there is no way to take it back or correct it for > the victims or their families. This has nothing in common with those cases > and it bugs the hell out of me that it is considered news after the fact > and worthy of dissection and analysis. > > As for PwC and the proper protocol: from my military experience, in > training we would be taught to do something, including the proper protocol, > early in the morning and spend the rest of the day in the field practicing > it over and over. It was deathly dull, tedious, and soul-draining, and we > would learn this way day after day. It takes being in a real life situation > where everybody knows what to do without thinking to appreciate that > approach to training. Since a situation like this never happened, the PwC > people off stage never actually practiced what to do in a case like this > and froze. > > -- > -- > TV or Not TV .... The Smartest (TV) People! > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "TV or Not TV" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected] > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "TVorNotTV" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > Sent from Gmail Mobile > > -- > -- > TV or Not TV .... 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