Good. I never liked that guy.
On Sat, Apr 15, 2017, 11:38 PM Kevin M. <[email protected]> wrote: > Varner is no longer employed. > > > http://www.ctvnews.ca/entertainment/survivor-contestant-who-outed-transgender-competitor-loses-his-job-1.3370209 > > On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 6:20 PM, PGage <[email protected]> wrote: > >> First, I think it is worth noting what a great essay Zeke wrote, both as >> a bit of insider memoir of a cast member on a major TV cultural phenomenon, >> and as a reflection on his experience as a trans man. Bravo. >> >> Second, as vicious and cowardly as Varner was, I don't agree with Kevin's >> take on the incident. While Varner's behavior really was shocking (up until >> he actually said it, I was asking aloud WTF are you talking about? What >> layers and levels of lies could he possibly be trying to suggest? But what >> was not really shocking was that even in the age of Trump, there just is >> not enough hatred and transphobia around to make Varner's strategy >> effective. One never knows how much is staged or set up on a show like >> that, but I totally believe that the immediate reaction of everyone on that >> tribe was disgust at Varner's actions. >> >> Third, I was glad to see that in his essay Zeke nuanced his hug and >> forgiveness of Varner. Yes, Varner regretted it almost immediately, but it >> seemed obvious to me he only did because he could see that it wasn't >> working, and was in fact back firing. I don't think he would have regretted >> it for a second if it had worked. >> >> Fourth, in response to Darren's point, I have to think that either the >> producers knew, and already had obtained specific permission from Zeke to >> run footage if he was outed, they stopped tape and got this permission from >> Zeke before the end of Tribal, or they went back and re-taped the ending >> after getting permission. I'm sure they get some kind of global waiver >> before the show from all players, but as we learned from United, fine print >> waivers don't mean shit in the PR game, and I doubt CBS would have taken >> the chance. Clearly, Zeke was okay, and okay with it being televised. >> >> Fifth, really want to underline Zeke's point about how skillful and >> classy Probst was in handling this. He spent a lot of time with the other >> players, clearly giving Zeke time to gather his thoghts and compose >> himself, while also taking several opportunities to call bull shit on some >> of Varner's rationalization. >> >> >> On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 10:32 AM Darren Glass <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> The thing that was interesting to me is that Jeff didn't have them vote >>> anyways, which would have given them more options about whether to edit the >>> outing out. Given that there was no vote, they had to keep it in, which may >>> have big real life consequences for both Zeke and Varner. >>> >>> dg >>> >>> >>> On Apr 14, 2017, at 1:01 PM, Doug Eastick <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> I watched this episode last night. I was honestly shocked. I knew I >>> wasn't alone when I saw the other contestants looking shocked WTF too. >>> It only took Varner about 1-2 minutes to understand how bad it was.... the >>> thing he had done. They didn't even vote, they all knew he was done. >>> >>> I thought for a bit that Varner would pull a Spicer and continue his >>> point. But he quickly became ashamed of himself. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017, 1:16 PM Kevin M. <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Ultimately, I don't know why anybody on Survivor matters more than >>>> anybody else, and there is still a falseness to this show that bugs me. But >>>> without knowing about the events leading up to it, outing somebody on >>>> national TV is a piss-poor tactic. The disturbing "reality" is that CBS >>>> would still have aired it had the tactic worked. >>>> >>>> At some point we need to start looking at the psychology of what >>>> possesses people to participate in these shows, as well as the >>>> harm/backlash for both participants and viewers. There used to be senate >>>> hearings on music lyrics and videogame violence, but nobody seems to >>>> question our "right" to be embarrassed, insulted, attacked, and injured... >>>> for ratings. >>>> >>>> >>>> http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/survivor-zeke-smith-outed-as-transgender-guest-column-991514 >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Kevin M. (RPCV) >>>> >>>> -- >>>> -- >>>> TV or Not TV .... 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