Dave's Clinton jokes were sex related, not political. Not sent from an iPhone.
On May 8, 2017, 4:17 PM, at 4:17 PM, Mark Jeffries <[email protected]> wrote: >It's almost like the right conveniently forgets all of Dave's Bill >Clinton >jokes, which he continued to do right until the end. > >Mark Jeffries >Saints Spotlight Editor >[email protected] > >On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 4:50 PM, Tom Wolper <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 3:51 PM, Steve Timko <[email protected]> >wrote: >> >>> When were late night talk shows not left leaning? Steve Allen? Jack >Paar >>> was left leaning. >>> Kurtz says Hollywood won't let Fallon air at the cool kids table. >>> >>> http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/05/08/its-not-only- >>> colbert-why-most-late-night-comics-are-skewering-trump.html >>> >> >> I have a DVD set of some of Paar's prime time shows after he left the >> Tonight Show. On his first one Richard Nixon was his first guest and >Paar >> told an anecdote from when their families were vacationing together >in the >> Caribbean. Paar might have become known in later years as favoring >the >> Kennedys and the last show in the DVD set was Bobby Kennedy talking >about >> Jackie and the family were coping a couple of months after JFK's >> assassination. In another episode he had Cassius Clay on and Paar >referred >> to him as a "boy." I'm not prepared to call him left-leaning. >> >> The GOP has been in a hard rightward swing for the past two decades >and >> part of that is calling what used to be the political center the >"left." As >> has been documented ad nauseum, the origin of the Affordable Care Act >was >> with the conservatives. As soon as Obama put a bill into Congress it >became >> communist. So what is happening is that the great audience that has >been >> traditionally centrist is becoming left-leaning as the right becomes >more >> radical. >> >> In previous decades politics was left to politicians and the >journalists >> who covered them. Think tanks existed but their output went to >academic >> journals. Newspapers had op-ed writers but they did not appear too >often on >> TV. Then there was an explosion of pundits - mostly due to the need >of 24 >> hour news channels to have talking heads. And the think tanks started >to >> feed the news channels with their output dumbed down for general >audiences. >> And the next thing you know everything was political and everything >had to >> be aligned on one side or the other, not just traditional politics, >but pop >> culture, music, sports, etc. Decades ago talk show hosts could steer >clear >> of politics in their monologues. Johnny Carson's shows from his NY >years >> have been erased. It would be interesting to see if he mentioned the >Tet >> Offensive or the 1968 Democratic Convention and how he covered them. >I >> assume he steered clear and that's just not possible today. >> >> In his new Letterman biography Jason Zinoman said that a new era in >late >> night talk began when Jon Stewart took over the Daily Show. Stewart >did not >> steer clear of politics and did not pretend to be neutral and thrived >> because of it. Dave became known as left-leaning but I think he was >more >> part of the abandoned center when the GOP shifted right. Then an >innocuous >> joke about Sarah Palin's daughter stoked manufactured outrage from >people >> who worship her and I think that affected him. >> >> Donald is a bull in a china shop. Some of that is by design and that >is >> what GOP voters decided they want to run the federal government. The >party >> has lost the institutional power to stop him in the name of >preserving >> norms (and dignity) and the country has to live with the consequences >and >> wait until all the damage has been done to repair things. He and his >inner >> circle crave attention and they generate tons more news content than >a less >> radical and more low-key administration would. >> >> It's folly for pundits like Kurtz to compare today to past >administrations >> and wistfully wish for the days of yore when hosts were neutral and >made >> jokes about other things going on in life. And when attacking Trump >or the >> GOP leadership they are not specifically advocating for Democratic >> alternatives as representing the values of their audience: respect >for all >> people, respect for science, working toward a more peaceful world, >etc. >> >> -- >> -- >> TV or Not TV .... 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