Aaaaaand Dennis Miller has weighed in... https://mobile.twitter.com/dennisdmz/status/990505203043463168
To which TVs Frank replied https://mobile.twitter.com/frankconniff/status/990627200675311617 On Sun, Apr 29, 2018 at 12:55 PM Kevin M. <[email protected]> wrote: > On Sun, Apr 29, 2018 at 12:45 PM PGage <[email protected]> wrote: > >> This is not a big deal, but it is the kind of little detail that draws me >> down the rabbit hole. Here are the two jokes: >> >> “I have to say I’m a little star-struck. I love you as Aunt Lydia in ‘The >> Handmaid’s Tale.’ Mike Pence, if you haven’t seen it, you would love it.” >> (Joke 1) >> >> “I actually really like Sarah. I think she’s very resourceful. She burns >> facts and then she uses that ash to create a perfect smoky eye. Like maybe >> she’s born with it, maybe it’s lies. It’s probably lies.” (Joke 2) >> >> Neither of these is a slam on SHS’ appearance. Taken one at a time: >> >> Joke 1: There is a physical resemblance between the actress who plays >> Aunt Lydia in the Hulu series (she was on Colbert recently and is just >> delightful, so if I were SHS I would be happy if I were being compared to >> her in any way), but anyone familiar with the story knows that the joke >> here is all about Lydia’s function. Here is the character description from >> Sparks Notes, for those not familiar. I think the basis for the joke is >> obvious (and devastating, and it is one of Wolf’s best lines of the night): >> >> *“Aunt Lydia* - The Aunts are the class of women assigned to >> indoctrinate the Handmaids with the beliefs of the new society and make >> them accept their fates. Aunt Lydia works at the “Red Center,” the >> re‑education center where Offred and other women go for instruction before >> becoming Handmaids. Although she appears only in Offred’s flashbacks, Aunt >> Lydia and her instructions haunt Offred in her daily life. Aunt Lydia’s >> slogans and maxims drum the ideology of the new society into heads of the >> women, until even those like Offred, women who do not truly believe in the >> ideology, hear Gilead’s words echoing in their heads.” >> >> Joke 2: This is a play on the old Maybelline ad tag line (“maybe she’s >> born with it, maybe its Maybelline”). I guess SHS has smoky eye make-up (I >> vaguely know that term from watching Project Runway, but I can only guess >> what it means), but the joke here clearly is about how much she lies. I >> don’t think this works very well as a joke, and is pretty typical of Wolf’s >> humor, which I do not find smart or elegant, but kind of lazy. This is >> basically just an excuse to yell real loud “Sarah Hucakabee Sanders is a >> liar!”, which is true, but not very funny - though it takes a certain about >> of course to do that when the woman is sitting 5 feet away from you. >> >> If people want to slam Wolf for not being very funny - fine (probably >> mostly true). If they want to slam her for taking liberal digs against the >> Trump administration, also fine (very true but, then, what do you expect?). >> But trying to gin up internet outrage over a female comic betraying the >> sisterhood by making jokes about another professional woman’s appearence >> is, in this case, bulshit. >> >> A better moral to draw from this and other recent similar events is that >> the tradition of roasting the President and other powerful figures in this >> way requires an underlying mutual respect, if not personal, than at least >> institutional and constitutional, which is lacking right now. This was >> already getting to be true in the W. Bush Administration, and would have >> been true had there been even B-List comics available during the Obama >> Administration. It is profoundly true now. Without a modicum of mutual >> respect, comic roasting just comes across as mean-spirited and low-class, >> and perhaps we would be better served calling at least a temporary halt to >> it. >> > > The reason it comes across as more mean spirited than a traditional roast > is the focus of the roast refuses to participate. Traditionally, the person > being roasted gets the last word. Trump is too cowardly to lob insults to > anybody's face, so the dinner has become one-sided. If he attended, he > could speak out in person (at the risk of sounding old-school sexist... > that’s what a real man would do), but the coward knows he’d be outnumbered > and outwitted, so he makes up the pretense that the dinner is somehow > beneath him (he puts ketchup on steak... no dinner is beneath him). > > As much as the topical humor isn’t for me, I recognize the value of it in > pop culture. Just because the bully won’t play in the sandbox is no reason > to dismantle the sandbox. > > > >> >> https://youtu.be/2yShWRb7L8s >> >> >> https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/reliable-source/wp/2018/04/29/the-harshest-jokes-from-michelle-wolfs-correspondents-dinner-speech/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.2e3d7e2012df >> >> >> On Sun, Apr 29, 2018 at 10:23 AM Kevin M. <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> On Sun, Apr 29, 2018 at 9:44 AM PGage <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> I am wondering why I am reading so much outrage by liberal white women >>>> that Wolf made fun of Huckabee’s looks. The maybelline joke was not >>>> particularly funny, but it was not a know on SHS appearance. I thought the >>>> Handmaidens Tale joke was better - both funnier and sharper - but also not >>>> a joke about looks. Am I missing a joke (don’t have the stomach to >>>> rewatch)? And if I am missing a joke, why don’t the complainers reference >>>> it? >>>> >>> >>> Complainers gonna complain. The references to looks that I’ve seen >>> complaints about were the smoky eye thing (which is actually a joke about >>> where she gets the makeup) and the comparison to the character on Handmaids >>> Tale (who some interpreted to be a comparison of the character traits while >>> others interpreted to be about how the character/actress looks). >>> >>> Huckabee Sanders is a bully who works for a bully (and all bullies are >>> secretly cowards). These bullies have not only physically mocked people, >>> but they’ve enacted and defended laws that discriminate against people >>> based on how they look. So even if the jokes are rightly construed as >>> insults on appearance, I cannot muster up any outrage over them. >>> >>> -- >>>> Sent from Gmail Mobile >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "TVorNotTV" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>> -- >>> Kevin M. 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