It is interesting that, as Jon has previously brought up, the "Dietland" post mortem "Unapologetic" was much, much more than a fanboi wallow. Of course, the series itself wasn't a genre exercise but a satire of attitudes towards feminism and in many of the episodes Aisha Tyler was turning "Unapologetic" away from "OMG it's Julianne Marguiles" to a discussion of many things that have come up in the last year, with strong statements that justified the opinions-expressed-are-those-of-the-participants disclaimer in the small print at the end of the credits. In fact, I will say that "Unapologetic" was much more interesting than "Dietland" and a strong statement for Tyler as a late-night host on her own, if anyone's got the cojones (and I see she left "The Talk" last year, thanks God).
Mark Jeffries Saints Spotlight Editor [email protected] On Sat, Aug 11, 2018 at 11:32 AM PGage <[email protected]> wrote: > I will make a comment, because popular culture, mostly mediated through > Twitter and its cousins, simplifies complex issues. > > AMC’s investigation was not about finding Dykstra guilty of lying or of > any wrong doing, or even about proving Hardwick was not guilty of the > crimes and misbehavior she indirectly accused him of. It was to see if > there was any good faith basis for them to terminate Hardwick’s employment. > It is quite possible, in principle, for it both to be true that A) in a > civil or criminal trial things would go against Hardwick, but B) in any > real investigation an employer could conduct things would not go against > him. > > We obviously can not end up with a culture in which every person accused > of wrong doing is automatically fired. OTOH, as has been made very clear in > cases of domestic violence involving NFL players, we also can not tolerate > a culture in which employers only terminate employees after a formal > conviction (if even then). The only alternative then is to expect employers > to set up some kind of fair and minimally rigorous investigation of their > own into the charges. > > The criticism that any such employer should be open to then would be about > the fairness and rigor of the in-house investigation. I know just such > criticisms have been made about AMC’s Hardwick investigation. This is where > I think the focus of public reaction should be. None of us are in a > position to judge whether there is enough available evidence to terminate > Hardwick, but we should be given enough evidence to judge the fairness of > the investigation, and to call for a better one if indicated. Employers who > select investigators with bias or conflicts of interest should not be > allowed to benefit from doing so, which should set up pressure going > forward to retain neutral, professional investigative services. > > Personally, I am pretty neutral about Hardwick as a performer. I listened > to the Nerdist Podcast for about a year, but a little of that goes a long > way. I never really liked his CC central “game show” that much, and rarely > watched it even when it followed TDS and I had it on DVR every night (my > preset recording of TDS is still set for an hour, from the old > Stewart/Colbert days). I have enjoyed his post show discussions of Breaking > Bad, Walking Dead and Fear the Dead (although the last of those makes > really transparent the extent to which the “Talking” shows are shameless > hype-machines rather than fan forums). I have never been tempted to check > out any of his often self-hyped stand up comedy. Hardwick is an articulate, > smooth media personality; most people in the world can not do what he does, > but there are hundreds and maybe thousands of people who can do it as well > or better, and I am sure AMC would be able to find one of those to take his > place if need be. > > I don’t care about saving Chris Hardwick’s job or reputation. I do care > about devising some kind of non-legal culture that both provides due > process and protection to people accused of wrong doing while working to > ensure that people employers have a good faith basis for judging have > engaged in assulative and otherwise intolerable aggressive behaviors lose > their jobs. Such a process can never be perfect, but it can get a lot > better, and should. > > On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 11:20 PM Kevin M. <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Posted without comment >> >> https://mobile.twitter.com/skydart/status/1028006987550810112 >> >> >> On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 9:43 PM 'David Bruggeman' via TVorNotTV < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> It has seemed to me that much of the second act of his career was due >>> more to his hustle/workaholism and early adoption of new media than any >>> innate talent. >>> >>> I'd guess he'd have enough money (even before marrying into the Hearsts) >>> from the sale of Nerdist to not have to work for a while longer, but I >>> could be wrong. >>> >>> David >>> >>> On Friday, August 10, 2018, 11:01:08 PM EDT, Kevin M. < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 7:56 PM Doug Eastick <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> I just watched him the other night as a guest judge on America's Got >>> Talent. No matter where I see him, I always just think he's a.... I dunno >>> what it is. I just don't like him. >>> >>> >>> No matter where I see him, I always think that hosting a mockish and >>> smug clone of The Dating Game for MTV was the absolute limit of his talents >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Aug 10, 2018, 8:16 PM Steve Timko, <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Some "Taking Dead" staffers quit in protest of Hardwick's return. >>> >>> LINK >>> <https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/chris-hardwick-talking-dead-qutting_us_5b6e0888e4b0530743c9ef2e> >>> >>> On Sat, Jul 28, 2018 at 7:48 PM M-D November <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> From the linked article: >>> “I have been adamant since I came forward with my essay that I never set >>> out to ruin the career of the person I spoke about. I could have provided >>> more details, but chose not to,” she wrote in a lengthy statement shared on >>> Twitter. >>> >>> “I have said what I wanted to say on the matter, and I wish to move on >>> with my life. For that reason, I chose not to participate in the >>> investigation against the person I spoke of. I do not believe in an eye for >>> an eye, and therefore I have only shared my evidence with those who I felt >>> should see it.” >>> >>> — >>> >>> Uh huh... >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "TVorNotTV" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "TVorNotTV" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "TVorNotTV" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >>> -- >>> Kevin M. 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