So, I do understand Roman’s critique of Kondo. What I don’t understand is the logic of Roman in particular making that critique.
With CT, I get the logic Of the attack (even as I dispute its accuracy): CT occupies a space (provider of online cooking content for People of a certain level of moderate affluence and hipness). CT is coke and Roman is Pepsi (well, she’s more like RC Cola, but okay) and she wants to elbow into that space and take some of CT’s customers. But how is Kondo a competitor to Roman? Does Kondo cook too? The more I learn about Roman (and I suspect that learning has reached asymptote for me) it seems maybe she styles herself as the simplicity chef, cooking with whatever you have on hand in the house (though, while I know what a shallot is and have had them in my house, they don’t just hang out in my kitchen waiting to be used in some rustic home chef recipe for pasta. If we - well, my wife or kids - are making something that calls for shallots they send me the extra 20 miles to Trader Joe’s to get them) and it is this simplicity space that Roman sees herself as competing with Kondo for? It just seems to me that Roman’s attack on CT was logical from a competitive perspective, though invalid, while her attack on Kondo was illogical from a competitive perspective, even if valid. Joe, maybe your Linda McCartney analogy got at this, but I am not up enough on Paul McCartney wife trivia to follow it. When I want to use Beatles wives to drive home a point, I go the more cliched Yoko route... On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 6:44 AM Joe Hass <[email protected]> wrote: > To help clarify just a smidge: the shots at Kondo (one that while I didn't > take, I wholeheartedly endorse) weren't that she was monetizing her fame, > it was that she was doing so by peddling the type of products that she > would argue in her book you should get rid of. The perfect (hypothetical) > equivalent would've been Linda McCarthy endorsing a line of Shepherd's Pie > (Now With 20% More Chicken Flavour!). > > On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 11:12 PM PGage <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Roman specifically called out CT, unprovoked by the interviewer, for >> selling out by monetizing her interest in cooking (wrongly, as it turns >> out, since CT has not made any profit from it, at least yet) right before >> asserting that she (Roman) herself needed to monetize her interest in >> cooking, and having bragged about the pending TV show that (apparently I >> know to her) CT was co-producing. >> >> I don’t see much fair in that. >> >> As for Kondo, well I’m one of the people who have never seen her show, >> read her book, or felt the need to simplify my life, so I pass on her. >> >> On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 8:34 PM Kevin M. <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> I blocked Teigen years ago and I had never heard of Roman until she >>> trended recently. My fiancée is obsessed with Kondo (luckily I fill her >>> with joy, so she hasn’t tossed me... yet). My takeaway from Roman is that >>> she thinks it is disingenuous for personalities to write or speak about >>> simplifying your life (not depending on material possessions to make you >>> happy) while at the same time promoting/selling cheap crap with their name >>> on it. She got blasted for naming names. It’s a legitimate criticism, but >>> could have been better worded... and the people she named could’ve been a >>> bit more diverse. >>> >>> PS- Sorry, but Grumpy Skeletor is the boss of the internet >>> >>> https://twitter.com/GrumpySkeletor >>> >>> >>> On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 8:22 PM PGage <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Saw this Tweet just now: >>>> >>>> https://twitter.com/colbertlateshow/status/1261121624083968001?s=21 >>>> >>>> About 90% of my follows on Twitter are journalists, scientists and >>>> politicians. One of the few celebrities I follow, on Twitter and Instagram, >>>> is Chrissy Teigen, who is the absolute boss of the internet. I had never to >>>> my memory heard of Alison Roman until last week, when CT tweeted that she >>>> was bummed about what some woman chef said about her in some off brand >>>> internet interview. That led me down the rabbit hole, reading the article, >>>> Roman’s initial aggressive restatement and defense, the overwhelming >>>> negative Twitter response (why do people keep thinking they can come for >>>> Chrissy Teigen?) and the inevitable apology, first half-assed, then >>>> faux-sincere. The apology phase was particularly inevitable because, as >>>> Chrissy pointed out in her response, but apparently Roman was not initially >>>> aware of, Teigen had signed on to be one of the producers of a TV show >>>> Roman wanted to do. >>>> >>>> I will be asleep before this show airs here in CA tonight, but will >>>> check it out in the morning. Particularly interested in if Colbert >>>> interviews her, and if so if they address this (and how could they not?). I >>>> assume that for most people, like me, if they have heard of her at all it >>>> is because of this episode, or if it is just a happy talk cooking segment. >>>> Would also like to know if they booked her before the incident, or because >>>> of it. >>>> >>>> The comments to the tweet announcing her visit give a flavor of how >>>> popular Roman is right now. Not a great look for Colbert to look like he is >>>> trying to rehab her. Would be interesting though if he manages to have a >>>> real conversation, without either defending her (or trying to make her look >>>> like a victim of internet bullying) or piling on, but exploring what her >>>> original point was (which I still don’t understand, it seems to be >>>> something like: “everyone who tries to monetize their cookery is a sell out >>>> late capitalist whore, except me”). Also, whatever her point was, why did >>>> she choose to make it by picking out of nowhere two Asian women? There >>>> aren’t enough white men in the celebrity cooking world to go after? And is >>>> Kondo even in the same Space? >>>> >>>> If you don’t know, but still want to know, about the bru ha ha, see >>>> Roman‘s: >>>> https://twitter.com/fromedome/status/1258513965937614848?s=21 and >>>> following) and Teigen’s: >>>> https://twitter.com/chrissyteigen/status/1258904780090425344?s=21 >>>> Twitter posts. 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