PGage: the Linda reference was just about a vegetarian promoting a meat product.
On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 2:29 PM PGage <[email protected]> wrote: > > So, I do understand Roman’s critique of Kondo. What I don’t understand is > the logic of Roman in particular making that critique. > > With CT, I get the logic Of the attack (even as I dispute its accuracy): > CT occupies a space (provider of online cooking content for People of a > certain level of moderate affluence and hipness). CT is coke and Roman is > Pepsi (well, she’s more like RC Cola, but okay) and she wants to elbow into > that space and take some of CT’s customers. > > But how is Kondo a competitor to Roman? Does Kondo cook too? The more I > learn about Roman (and I suspect that learning has reached asymptote for > me) it seems maybe she styles herself as the simplicity chef, cooking with > whatever you have on hand in the house (though, while I know what a shallot > is and have had them in my house, they don’t just hang out in my kitchen > waiting to be used in some rustic home chef recipe for pasta. If we - well, > my wife or kids - are making something that calls for shallots they send me > the extra 20 miles to Trader Joe’s to get them) and it is this simplicity > space that Roman sees herself as competing with Kondo for? > > It just seems to me that Roman’s attack on CT was logical from a > competitive perspective, though invalid, while her attack on Kondo was > illogical from a competitive perspective, even if valid. > > Joe, maybe your Linda McCartney analogy got at this, but I am not up > enough on Paul McCartney wife trivia to follow it. When I want to use > Beatles wives to drive home a point, I go the more cliched Yoko route... > > On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 6:44 AM Joe Hass <[email protected]> wrote: > >> To help clarify just a smidge: the shots at Kondo (one that while I >> didn't take, I wholeheartedly endorse) weren't that she was monetizing her >> fame, it was that she was doing so by peddling the type of products that >> she would argue in her book you should get rid of. The perfect >> (hypothetical) equivalent would've been Linda McCarthy endorsing a line of >> Shepherd's Pie (Now With 20% More Chicken Flavour!). >> >> On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 11:12 PM PGage <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Roman specifically called out CT, unprovoked by the interviewer, for >>> selling out by monetizing her interest in cooking (wrongly, as it turns >>> out, since CT has not made any profit from it, at least yet) right before >>> asserting that she (Roman) herself needed to monetize her interest in >>> cooking, and having bragged about the pending TV show that (apparently I >>> know to her) CT was co-producing. >>> >>> I don’t see much fair in that. >>> >>> As for Kondo, well I’m one of the people who have never seen her show, >>> read her book, or felt the need to simplify my life, so I pass on her. >>> >>> On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 8:34 PM Kevin M. <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I blocked Teigen years ago and I had never heard of Roman until she >>>> trended recently. My fiancée is obsessed with Kondo (luckily I fill her >>>> with joy, so she hasn’t tossed me... yet). My takeaway from Roman is that >>>> she thinks it is disingenuous for personalities to write or speak about >>>> simplifying your life (not depending on material possessions to make you >>>> happy) while at the same time promoting/selling cheap crap with their name >>>> on it. She got blasted for naming names. It’s a legitimate criticism, but >>>> could have been better worded... and the people she named could’ve been a >>>> bit more diverse. >>>> >>>> PS- Sorry, but Grumpy Skeletor is the boss of the internet >>>> >>>> https://twitter.com/GrumpySkeletor >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 8:22 PM PGage <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Saw this Tweet just now: >>>>> >>>>> https://twitter.com/colbertlateshow/status/1261121624083968001?s=21 >>>>> >>>>> About 90% of my follows on Twitter are journalists, scientists and >>>>> politicians. One of the few celebrities I follow, on Twitter and >>>>> Instagram, >>>>> is Chrissy Teigen, who is the absolute boss of the internet. I had never >>>>> to >>>>> my memory heard of Alison Roman until last week, when CT tweeted that she >>>>> was bummed about what some woman chef said about her in some off brand >>>>> internet interview. That led me down the rabbit hole, reading the article, >>>>> Roman’s initial aggressive restatement and defense, the overwhelming >>>>> negative Twitter response (why do people keep thinking they can come for >>>>> Chrissy Teigen?) and the inevitable apology, first half-assed, then >>>>> faux-sincere. The apology phase was particularly inevitable because, as >>>>> Chrissy pointed out in her response, but apparently Roman was not >>>>> initially >>>>> aware of, Teigen had signed on to be one of the producers of a TV show >>>>> Roman wanted to do. >>>>> >>>>> I will be asleep before this show airs here in CA tonight, but will >>>>> check it out in the morning. Particularly interested in if Colbert >>>>> interviews her, and if so if they address this (and how could they not?). >>>>> I >>>>> assume that for most people, like me, if they have heard of her at all it >>>>> is because of this episode, or if it is just a happy talk cooking segment. >>>>> Would also like to know if they booked her before the incident, or because >>>>> of it. >>>>> >>>>> The comments to the tweet announcing her visit give a flavor of how >>>>> popular Roman is right now. Not a great look for Colbert to look like he >>>>> is >>>>> trying to rehab her. Would be interesting though if he manages to have a >>>>> real conversation, without either defending her (or trying to make her >>>>> look >>>>> like a victim of internet bullying) or piling on, but exploring what her >>>>> original point was (which I still don’t understand, it seems to be >>>>> something like: “everyone who tries to monetize their cookery is a sell >>>>> out >>>>> late capitalist whore, except me”). Also, whatever her point was, why did >>>>> she choose to make it by picking out of nowhere two Asian women? There >>>>> aren’t enough white men in the celebrity cooking world to go after? And is >>>>> Kondo even in the same Space? >>>>> >>>>> If you don’t know, but still want to know, about the bru ha ha, see >>>>> Roman‘s: >>>>> https://twitter.com/fromedome/status/1258513965937614848?s=21 and >>>>> following) and Teigen’s: >>>>> https://twitter.com/chrissyteigen/status/1258904780090425344?s=21 >>>>> Twitter posts. 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