Shoot! That is one of the things I know about her. On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 12:48 PM Joe Hass <[email protected]> wrote:
> PGage: the Linda reference was just about a vegetarian promoting a meat > product. > > On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 2:29 PM PGage <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> So, I do understand Roman’s critique of Kondo. What I don’t understand is >> the logic of Roman in particular making that critique. >> >> With CT, I get the logic Of the attack (even as I dispute its accuracy): >> CT occupies a space (provider of online cooking content for People of a >> certain level of moderate affluence and hipness). CT is coke and Roman is >> Pepsi (well, she’s more like RC Cola, but okay) and she wants to elbow into >> that space and take some of CT’s customers. >> >> But how is Kondo a competitor to Roman? Does Kondo cook too? The more I >> learn about Roman (and I suspect that learning has reached asymptote for >> me) it seems maybe she styles herself as the simplicity chef, cooking with >> whatever you have on hand in the house (though, while I know what a shallot >> is and have had them in my house, they don’t just hang out in my kitchen >> waiting to be used in some rustic home chef recipe for pasta. If we - well, >> my wife or kids - are making something that calls for shallots they send me >> the extra 20 miles to Trader Joe’s to get them) and it is this simplicity >> space that Roman sees herself as competing with Kondo for? >> >> It just seems to me that Roman’s attack on CT was logical from a >> competitive perspective, though invalid, while her attack on Kondo was >> illogical from a competitive perspective, even if valid. >> >> Joe, maybe your Linda McCartney analogy got at this, but I am not up >> enough on Paul McCartney wife trivia to follow it. When I want to use >> Beatles wives to drive home a point, I go the more cliched Yoko route... >> >> On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 6:44 AM Joe Hass <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> To help clarify just a smidge: the shots at Kondo (one that while I >>> didn't take, I wholeheartedly endorse) weren't that she was monetizing her >>> fame, it was that she was doing so by peddling the type of products that >>> she would argue in her book you should get rid of. The perfect >>> (hypothetical) equivalent would've been Linda McCarthy endorsing a line of >>> Shepherd's Pie (Now With 20% More Chicken Flavour!). >>> >>> On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 11:12 PM PGage <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Roman specifically called out CT, unprovoked by the interviewer, for >>>> selling out by monetizing her interest in cooking (wrongly, as it turns >>>> out, since CT has not made any profit from it, at least yet) right before >>>> asserting that she (Roman) herself needed to monetize her interest in >>>> cooking, and having bragged about the pending TV show that (apparently I >>>> know to her) CT was co-producing. >>>> >>>> I don’t see much fair in that. >>>> >>>> As for Kondo, well I’m one of the people who have never seen her show, >>>> read her book, or felt the need to simplify my life, so I pass on her. >>>> >>>> On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 8:34 PM Kevin M. <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I blocked Teigen years ago and I had never heard of Roman until she >>>>> trended recently. My fiancée is obsessed with Kondo (luckily I fill her >>>>> with joy, so she hasn’t tossed me... yet). My takeaway from Roman is that >>>>> she thinks it is disingenuous for personalities to write or speak about >>>>> simplifying your life (not depending on material possessions to make you >>>>> happy) while at the same time promoting/selling cheap crap with their name >>>>> on it. She got blasted for naming names. It’s a legitimate criticism, but >>>>> could have been better worded... and the people she named could’ve been a >>>>> bit more diverse. >>>>> >>>>> PS- Sorry, but Grumpy Skeletor is the boss of the internet >>>>> >>>>> https://twitter.com/GrumpySkeletor >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 8:22 PM PGage <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Saw this Tweet just now: >>>>>> >>>>>> https://twitter.com/colbertlateshow/status/1261121624083968001?s=21 >>>>>> >>>>>> About 90% of my follows on Twitter are journalists, scientists and >>>>>> politicians. One of the few celebrities I follow, on Twitter and >>>>>> Instagram, >>>>>> is Chrissy Teigen, who is the absolute boss of the internet. I had never >>>>>> to >>>>>> my memory heard of Alison Roman until last week, when CT tweeted that she >>>>>> was bummed about what some woman chef said about her in some off brand >>>>>> internet interview. That led me down the rabbit hole, reading the >>>>>> article, >>>>>> Roman’s initial aggressive restatement and defense, the overwhelming >>>>>> negative Twitter response (why do people keep thinking they can come for >>>>>> Chrissy Teigen?) and the inevitable apology, first half-assed, then >>>>>> faux-sincere. The apology phase was particularly inevitable because, as >>>>>> Chrissy pointed out in her response, but apparently Roman was not >>>>>> initially >>>>>> aware of, Teigen had signed on to be one of the producers of a TV show >>>>>> Roman wanted to do. >>>>>> >>>>>> I will be asleep before this show airs here in CA tonight, but will >>>>>> check it out in the morning. Particularly interested in if Colbert >>>>>> interviews her, and if so if they address this (and how could they >>>>>> not?). I >>>>>> assume that for most people, like me, if they have heard of her at all it >>>>>> is because of this episode, or if it is just a happy talk cooking >>>>>> segment. >>>>>> Would also like to know if they booked her before the incident, or >>>>>> because >>>>>> of it. >>>>>> >>>>>> The comments to the tweet announcing her visit give a flavor of how >>>>>> popular Roman is right now. Not a great look for Colbert to look like he >>>>>> is >>>>>> trying to rehab her. Would be interesting though if he manages to have a >>>>>> real conversation, without either defending her (or trying to make her >>>>>> look >>>>>> like a victim of internet bullying) or piling on, but exploring what her >>>>>> original point was (which I still don’t understand, it seems to be >>>>>> something like: “everyone who tries to monetize their cookery is a sell >>>>>> out >>>>>> late capitalist whore, except me”). Also, whatever her point was, why did >>>>>> she choose to make it by picking out of nowhere two Asian women? There >>>>>> aren’t enough white men in the celebrity cooking world to go after? And >>>>>> is >>>>>> Kondo even in the same Space? >>>>>> >>>>>> If you don’t know, but still want to know, about the bru ha ha, see >>>>>> Roman‘s: >>>>>> https://twitter.com/fromedome/status/1258513965937614848?s=21 and >>>>>> following) and Teigen’s: >>>>>> https://twitter.com/chrissyteigen/status/1258904780090425344?s=21 >>>>>> Twitter posts. 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