The only NC-17 rated film I remember seeing was Showgirls… and I wish I could forget I ever saw it. I believe in that instance the rating was more of a stunt than a viewer advisory. There was less nudity and less sex in that than in other (better) movies with an R rating.
On Sat, Mar 26, 2022 at 5:31 PM Tom Wolper <[email protected]> wrote: > The cinemas in New York and Los Angeles won’t show NC-17 films. The ones > that will would also show them unrated. It’s possible they’re using the > adult rating as a selling point. > > On Sat, Mar 26, 2022 at 8:15 PM Adam Bowie <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I have to concur with Tom that this makes little to no sense. >> >> I know that they have cinemas in New York and Los Angeles, so could it be >> that they need MPAA certificates to get into even just those theatres? In >> the UK, a few Netflix films get short cinema runs in some of the arthouse >> chains (and I always wonder if Netflix gives incentives to those chains to >> play the films). But even then, the titles that get these releases are the >> awards hopefuls that Netflix usually saves up for later in the year. Those >> films do need certification in the UK under the BBFC, which these days >> tends to be more concerned with violence and sexual violence than more than >> anything. I think only film clubs, not open to the paying public can show >> unrated films. >> >> There was a good documentary a few years ago called This Film Is Not Yet >> Rated which tore apart the US movie ratings scheme and noted the inequities >> between hetero and homosexual deptictions resulting in different ratings. >> >> [Just before I hit send I saw Tom's reply...] Snap! >> >> On Sat, Mar 26, 2022 at 10:58 PM Kevin M. <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> A while back, filmmaker and occasional pot smoker Kevin Smith penned an >>> essay about the MPAA that a quick Google search did not unearth, but I >>> recall him explaining the process including the appeals for several of his >>> films. >>> >>> On Sat, Mar 26, 2022 at 3:52 PM Tom Wolper <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> I find this story the way it’s reported to be confounding. Here’s what >>>> I understand about movie ratings: >>>> >>>> Originally each state had a censorship board and each film had to be >>>> submitted to each one and then cuts would have to be made in order for the >>>> film to be distributed to theaters. As Hollywood grew to the point that >>>> they couldn’t continue the system they set up a national production code >>>> and an office in Hollywood to enforce it. The production code process lost >>>> its teeth in the early sixties with lots of foreign films and independent >>>> films coming into the market. The successor they came up with was the >>>> ratings system. A filmmaker submits their script to the MPAA office, is >>>> told the rating, and what they would have to change if they want a >>>> different rating. >>>> >>>> Mature films got an X rating. With court decisions striking down >>>> obscenity statutes, mainstream theaters started showing hardcore porn >>>> movies with the X rating. Major theater chains decided not to show any X >>>> rated movies, even serious adult themed ones. Same with newspapers and the >>>> ads they’d accept. So the MPAA came up with NC-17 which was supposed to >>>> differentiate from porn but it got caught up in the same embargo. >>>> >>>> In practical terms if a studio submits a script and is told it will get >>>> an NC-17 rating they ask what changes they need to make to get an R rating >>>> for distribution. >>>> >>>> Netflix doesn’t need to submit a film for a rating in order to stream >>>> it and if wide theater distribution meant anything to them they’d make the >>>> changes to get it to an R. And art houses will gladly accept unrated >>>> movies. >>>> >>>> What confounds me is why Netflix bothered to submit the script for a >>>> rating in the first place. >>>> >>>> On Sat, Mar 26, 2022 at 3:29 PM Mark Jeffries <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> "Blonde," the Netflix adaptation of Joyce Carol Oates' novelization of >>>>> the life of Marilyn Monroe starring Ana de Armas as Marilyn, has picked up >>>>> the scarlet "adults only" rating from the MPA, the first film made for a >>>>> streamer with that rating: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/netflix-marilyn-monroe-blonde-nc17-1235118236/ >>>>> >>>>> The possibility of a limited run in theaters may not be much of a >>>>> problem in this case, since the major theater chains don't touch NC-17 >>>>> films with a fork lift and won't book Netflix films, while the mostly >>>>> independent arthouse circuit will. 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