RIP Ms Littlefeather https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/sacheen-littlefeather-dead-delivered-marlon-brando-oscar-rejection-speech-1235231657/amp/
On Sat, Aug 20, 2022 at 3:41 PM Kevin M. <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On Sat, Aug 20, 2022 at 3:00 PM PGage <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Eastwood is smarter and more politically involved, but even counting his >> loopy Convention speech I don’t think on his worst day he has ever been as >> toxic and hateful in his views as Wayne was. If people today don’t think he >> is worth taking apart, all the better if it means he has been forgotten. >> For those of us who grew up in his seemingly ever present shadow, the >> trauma is real. >> > > I won’t discount your trauma, as I’m sure it is genuine. And I concede > I’ve always had a preference of Wayne over Eastwood. But Eastwood literally > entered the political arena both as an active politician and as a part of > the anti-Obama cult (which would reform as the Trump cult). The moment with > the chair was iconic and probably his most notorious political stunt unless > you lived in Carmel during his tenure. Wayne gave his notorious Playboy > interview where he poorly expressed what was then a standard talking point > about the level of education of black men in America… it was horrible and > indefensible, and it was a commonly held belief by white conservatives at > that time. The fact Eastwood continued to push a racist political agenda > for several decades following the death of Wayne… and for several decades > after many conservatives tried to distance itself from those views… to me > that is what makes Eastwood worse. Perhaps had Wayne lived he’d have > continued down that road and been worse than Eastwood, but Eastwood > perpetuated it for another forty years. > > > >> On Sat, 20 Aug 2022 at 1:03 PM Kevin M. <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Aug 20, 2022 at 12:07 PM PGage <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> This is roughly consistent with my understanding, both of what actually >>>> happened that night, and that the Will Smith assault brought the whole >>>> story up again in force on Twitter. >>>> >>>> Late on Oscar night I was involved in a brief flame war on my Twitter >>>> feed when I tried to gently modify unqualified assertions about John Wayne >>>> having to be restrained from beating the shit out of Littlefeather. I was >>>> pretty sure that never happened, as my parents knew people who were part of >>>> the Wounded Knee event and were in touch with Littlefeather in the days and >>>> weeks after that Oscar show, and while there were lots of stories about the >>>> racist Academy members, there were none about almost being beat up by John >>>> Wayne (we all hated Wayne in those days, and would have been a very >>>> receptive audience). Still, on Oscar night 2022 Twitter was full of >>>> overconfident claims that the focus on Chris Rock was an example of a >>>> misogynistic re-writing of history, since Littlefeather had almost been >>>> killed by the Duke and nobody ever talks about it. >>>> >>>> I agree with Nehme’s reconstruction of what likely happened, though not >>>> with the gentle implication that Littlefeather was lying. My guess is that >>>> at some point after the fact somebody told her something like “Wayne was >>>> super pissed, and sounded like he wanted to beat the shit out of you.” Put >>>> that together with how scary and intimidating it would have been for her in >>>> that situation, not to mention how tense things were at Wounded Knee, >>>> (where as I recall 2 or 3 tribal members were murdered) and it is easy to >>>> see how, in her mind, as she is rushed off stage and into the elevator >>>> somewhere an out of control John Wayne, living (barely) symbol of Indian >>>> Killers everywhere, was somewhere near by straining at restraints to get at >>>> her. >>>> >>> >>> I am constantly reminded of Bob Newhart’s one-liner about The Duke, as >>> he sarcastically quipped “Do you ever think about how close we came to >>> losing WWII had it not been for John Wayne?” Wayne evoked an image, >>> literally and figuratively larger than life, of the archetypal hero, but he >>> was mostly bluster, and by most accounts of him as a private man, politics >>> largely bored him. He’d talk politics publicly and on set because he >>> disliked discussing his personal life with people he wasn’t close to. It’s >>> also ironic that although Clint Eastwood played the typically more >>> progressive anti-hero in most of his westerns, he was (and continues to be) >>> much more conservative than Wayne on his worst days. Wayne’s openly >>> pro-union views would get him a “woke” label by the current GOP. I will not >>> defend Wayne’s racist views, they aren’t defensible, but I also don’t >>> believe those views factor into the minds of too many people who watch his >>> movies today. He’s an easy “hero” to deconstruct, but not many people think >>> he’s worth taking the time to deconstruct. >>> >>> >>>> On Sat, 20 Aug 2022 at 7:05 AM Tom Wolper <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Film historian Farrah Smith Nehme did a deep dive into footage from >>>>> that Oscar night and subsequent interviews to see if the incident with >>>>> Wayne really happened, and if not, where the story came from. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> https://selfstyledsiren.substack.com/p/john-wayne-and-the-six-security-men?s=r&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web >>>>> >>>>> Her conclusion: Wayne was post-surgery for lung cancer and was less >>>>> than physically robust. Since Littlefeather was on stage for less than two >>>>> minutes and she hadn’t submitted her speech in advance, Wayne wouldn’t >>>>> have >>>>> had enough time to get to the stage from his seat. It’s possible he was >>>>> already backstage and expressed anger, but that would have been at Brando >>>>> for dissing the Academy and the ceremony. >>>>> >>>>> The story of the six security men restraining him seems to come from >>>>> interviews after Wayne’s death and was an embellishment of what happened >>>>> that night. >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2022 at 3:03 PM PGage <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I did watch that night, and my parents were the type that were all in >>>>>> for her from the start; my parents were indirectly involved in a group >>>>>> supporting the Wounded Knee protest (it was probably my mothers favorite >>>>>> Oscar moment of all time). >>>>>> >>>>>> I think there has been some Public shaming, growing on Twitter since >>>>>> the Will Smith incident, as the story about Wayne Having to be restrained >>>>>> from physically attacking her got traction. >>>>>> >>>>>> Still, I agree it was a good idea to do this while she is still alive >>>>>> to appreciate it. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, 16 Aug 2022 at 11:29 AM Tom Wolper <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I was really touched by this story. I didn’t watch the Oscars that >>>>>>> night but I remember friends and classmates sneering at her and I don’t >>>>>>> remember any introspection or contrition since then. Too often the >>>>>>> public >>>>>>> atonement comes only after the target has died. It surprises me in a >>>>>>> good >>>>>>> way that the Academy stepped up without a public shaming campaign and >>>>>>> they >>>>>>> can tell Littlefeather that the institution was wrong while she is still >>>>>>> alive. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2022 at 11:05 AM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The Native American woman, now 75, who famously gave a rejection >>>>>>>> speech in Marlon Brando's behalf for his 1973 Best Actor Oscar for *The >>>>>>>> Godfather*, will be honoured in September at the Academy Museum, >>>>>>>> an event that will also feature dancing/musical performances and >>>>>>>> remarks >>>>>>>> from Academy officials and another Native, area California Assemblyman >>>>>>>> James Ramos (San Bernardino area)... a free, by-reservation livestream >>>>>>>> has >>>>>>>> apparently been booked solid... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/sacheen-littlefeather-oscars-apology-1235198863/ >>>>>>>> (link) >>>>>>>> B >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups "TVorNotTV" group. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/0d236c2b-670a-4c03-832b-ab5905874df6n%40googlegroups.com >>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/0d236c2b-670a-4c03-832b-ab5905874df6n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "TVorNotTV" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>> >>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CAJE-FiHux4jtD%2BBW8jT2J8LZDkz5wwSNr43NP%3DF62H4dh7Dh2Q%40mail.gmail.com >>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CAJE-FiHux4jtD%2BBW8jT2J8LZDkz5wwSNr43NP%3DF62H4dh7Dh2Q%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>> . >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Sent from Gmail Mobile >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "TVorNotTV" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>> >>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CAKGtkYLY00HZiXL4cewRqz75g1mivRWCr8ORKVrWt1JuMHVBuA%40mail.gmail.com >>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CAKGtkYLY00HZiXL4cewRqz75g1mivRWCr8ORKVrWt1JuMHVBuA%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>> . >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "TVorNotTV" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CAJE-FiHV78XarZu_hBx5hpDiBLhWbzAHcbZ7FTwZjiVM1tzabQ%40mail.gmail.com >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CAJE-FiHV78XarZu_hBx5hpDiBLhWbzAHcbZ7FTwZjiVM1tzabQ%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>> . >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> Sent from Gmail Mobile >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "TVorNotTV" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CAKGtkY%2B_u5EM%3Deb1-fBOXAfLKO1%3DPsHBaL%2Bj3GqreNWKibHRTw%40mail.gmail.com >>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CAKGtkY%2B_u5EM%3Deb1-fBOXAfLKO1%3DPsHBaL%2Bj3GqreNWKibHRTw%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>> . >>>> >>> -- >>> Kevin M. 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