Re: [TV orNotTV] ItllBeOnTV: Tay-Tay first woman with four albums in top 10 on Billboard 200

'David Bruggeman' via TVorNotTV Mon, 17 Jul 2023 09:20:20 -0700

 While a Taylor Swift show has been a hot ticket for a while, this tour seems, 
at least to me, a bit more intense in terms of everything going on with it.
As someone who goes to more than a few live shows every year - just not at 
stadiums - I know there's been a pent up demand related to the pandemic.  I've 
been going to more shows than I used to, and I think the system in place to 
handle all of this has been trying to take advantage of this increased demand.

Some of the Swift-themed activities (which I don't think happened that much
during her last tour, but I don't know) may be a result of this, but I think
there's more going on than that. I'm at a loss to explain why. I certainly
know many of my friends (not all of whom have kids in the right demo) and my
sister-in-law (a Katy Perry fan of long standing) were interested in this Swift
tour that weren't before. But her music, as best as I can tell, hasn't changed
dramatically since she shifted out of country-pop into just pop.
David

On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 05:40:37 AM PDT, Tom Wolper <twol...@gmail.com>
wrote:

I didn’t know how much people have been exposed to the Taylor Swift phenomenon
and while I’m not disputing any of the earlier comments or trying to correct
them, I need to describe it further.
First, it’s not about the music. There will always be pop music performed by
young performers and people coming of age will bond with the music and decide
this is the best band/performer ever and probably stick with that their whole
lives. The rest of us just won’t get it.
The Taylor Swift Eras Tour came through Pittsburgh recently. Tickets to her
show sold out so quickly they added a second show and that sold out
immediately. But that’s not the phenomenon. What happened is anticipation for
the shows took over the city. Restaurants (note the plural) offered Taylor
Swift brunches and bars came up with Swift themed cocktails. Now I remember
when arena acts became stadium acts and in all those years whatever phenomenon
there was stayed limited to the stadium and parking lots. I don’t remember any
act, no matter how popular, taking over the city this way.
On Mon, Jul 17, 2023 at 4:11 AM PGage <pga...@gmail.com> wrote:

I’m so far outside the demo for Swift that in one sense I have no meaningful
take on her. I know millions of people love pumpkin lattes at Starbucks also,
and while the thought sets my teeth on edge, the fact that I despise it is
irrelevant to whether that is a good product.
OTOH, Swift is roughly the same age as Adele, another young white woman who
sings hyper personal break up songs. But I have loved Adele since I first heard
her on one of those free iTunes songs of the week, sans any ore hype, and she
has always seemed more mature and adult and genuine to me than Swift, who comes
across as a marketing confection to me. I guess I attribute the passion and
size of her fan base to the effectiveness of the marketing.
On Mon, 17 Jul 2023 at 12:19 AM 'David Bruggeman' via TVorNotTV
<tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Swift's been putting out albums since 2006, but I can't think of any other pop
star who came out around the same time that has stayed in the public
consciousness without diversifying or shifting into other arenas of
entertainment or genres of music. (I don't think she's impressed anyone, one
way or the other, with her few non-music video acting roles.)

Having a fan army on a scale comparable to BTS or other Asian pop acts does
seem unique to Swift outside of those acts. Sure, there are other groups of
intense fans of a musical act, but both the groups and the acts tend to be
smaller. That could certainly be sustainable for a longer than average career,
depending on the expectations of the artists involved.

Maybe Swift has inspired her fanbase in part because her media coverage usually
tightly links her personal life to her music. This goes beyond just analyzing
which single is about which relationship to include tracking which current or
potential romantic partner was seen with her or attended her latest show. And
it's been happening for at least a decade. Even in this period of more intense
media scrutiny, this seems the hardest part of her trajectory to replicate.
David

On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 05:46:05 PM PDT, Tom Wolper <twol...@gmail.com>
wrote:

The Taylor Swift phenomenon is something I have never seen. I wonder if it’s a
template for the future, where pop stars can rev up armies of obsessive fans,
or if she is a one-time celebrity and after she passes from the pop scene
record companies and publicists will be pushing each new star as “The next
Taylor Swift” but it will be clear that’s not the case.
On Sun, Jul 16, 2023 at 7:56 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV
<tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Herb Alpert and Prince also achieved the feat. She also passed Streisand with
her twelfth career #1
longplayer...https://variety.com/2023/music/news/speak-now-chart-taylor-swift-first-woman-four-albums-top-10-1235671562/
(link)B

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