So, if they know what you meant, then they shouldn't be doing it? (Sorry, 
Len! I couldn't resist!! )




At 04:56 PM 6/13/2005, you wrote:
>You are right, they shouldn't.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Len G. Carpenter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: <[email protected]>
>Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 3:10 PM
>Subject: Re: [TVRO] Bad ID
>
>
> > If they didn't know what I meant they should be doing it
> >
> >
> > thegrod wrote:
> >
> >> I was not trying to nit pick, sorry, but if someone followed your
> >> excellent
> >> advice literally they would lose their VCII.  I knew what you meant
> >> though.
> >> Just trying to save someone following literally from a potential problem.
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Len G. Carpenter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> To: <[email protected]>
> >> Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 2:02 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [TVRO] Bad ID
> >>
> >> > Ok so in the spot the word unsolder should be solder
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > thegrod wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Read yours again..."unsolder another new one where the
> >> >> >> > old one was"
> >> >>
> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> From: "Len G. Carpenter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> >> To: <[email protected]>
> >> >> Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 1:48 PM
> >> >> Subject: Re: [TVRO] Bad ID
> >> >>
> >> >> > Aw, but you didn't read what I said,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > You need to solder a new battery to some other traces on the board
> >> >> > that
> >> >> > hook to the
> >> >> > battery, now you will have 2 sources of power for the board, you can
> >> >> > now
> >> >> > safely
> >> >> > remove the old battery and then solder in a new battery, once that
> >> >> > is
> >> >> > done
> >> >> > you can
> >> >> > unsolder the other new battery to the other traces.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > thegrod wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> Len,
> >> >> >> A voice of clarity!  But you would need to solder in the new
> >> >> >> battery
> >> >> >> in
> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> old battery's spot and then unsolder the temporary battery.  You
> >> >> >> said
> >> >> >> unsolder the new battery.  Typo.
> >> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> >> From: "Len G. Carpenter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> >> >> To: <[email protected]>
> >> >> >> Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 12:43 PM
> >> >> >> Subject: Re: [TVRO] Bad ID
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > Has anyone read the original message and understood it?
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > A few have and you know who you are.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Its not his VCRS board that the battery died in the 4DTV IRD not
> >> >> >> > his
> >> >> >> > VCRS
> >> >> >> > board.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > And you cannot just up and change the battery in any of those
> >> >> >> > boards
> >> >> >> > VC2,
> >> >> >> > VC2+,
> >> >> >> > VCRS, 4DTV.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > You go yanking out the battery in any of them you will kill them
> >> >> >> > just
> >> >> >> > like
> >> >> >> > his
> >> >> >> > 4DTV is now toast.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Sure you can do it but either you have to do it while the unit is
> >> >> >> > powered
> >> >> >> > up which
> >> >> >> > might be easy in the 4DTV bay taking the cover off, then unsolder
> >> >> >> > the
> >> >> >> > battery and
> >> >> >> > solder in a new one and hope you don't short anything out.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > But try to do that with one of the VC boards!
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Ain't gonna happen.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > What you need to do with any of the 4 I mentioned is to hope
> >> >> >> > yours
> >> >> >> > isn't
> >> >> >> > old
> >> >> >> > enough to have a dead one in it and solder in a new battery to
> >> >> >> > other
> >> >> >> > points on the
> >> >> >> > board then unsolder the old one, then unsolder another new one
> >> >> >> > where
> >> >> >> > the
> >> >> >> > old one
> >> >> >> > was, once that is done you can remove the one you soldered to
> >> >> >> > other
> >> >> >> > points.  If
> >> >> >> > any of those units looses power for a few seconds they loose
> >> >> >> > there
> >> >> >> > unit
> >> >> >> > ID
> >> >> >> > and
> >> >> >> > that's it game over.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > jack peacock wrote:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> Just to put a new battery in it/or was the battery
> >> >> >> >> dead? $185 is a lot for a battery.What did they do?
> >> >> >> >> --- Teddy Banks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> > I had a 920 repaired in Feb this year, by ATS,
> >> >> >> >> > $185.00
> >> >> >> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> >> >> > From: "Guy Ogden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> >> >> >> > To: <[email protected]>
> >> >> >> >> > Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2005 5:38 AM
> >> >> >> >> > Subject: Re: [TVRO] Bad ID
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > Thanks. I very much appreciate your help. I just
> >> >> >> >> > wrote ATS to see what
> >> >> >> >> > it would cost me, so now I'm waiting to see if I am
> >> >> >> >> > out of the BUD
> >> >> >> >> > business for good or not. Think good thoughts for
> >> >> >> >> > me.
> >> >> >> >> > Guy
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > --- spyder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > >  When the onboard battery dies, the unit ID will
> >> >> >> >> > become corrupted in
> >> >> >> >> > > the event of power loss.
> >> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> > >  I recently had the same thing happen to me.
> >> >> >> >> > Unfortunately the only
> >> >> >> >> > > options are sending it to ATS
> >> >> >> >> > http://www.atselectronics.com/   for
> >> >> >> >> > > servicing , or getting a new 4DTV receiver. I'm
> >> >> >> >> > not sure of the price
> >> >> >> >> > > for the ATS service as I took the oportunity to
> >> >> >> >> > upgrade from a 920 to
> >> >> >> >> > > a 922. Once the unit ID is corrupted the digital
> >> >> >> >> > side of the receiver
> >> >> >> >> > > is of no use, sorry to say.
> >> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> > >   ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> >> >> > >   From: guyogden
> >> >> >> >> > >   To: [email protected]
> >> >> >> >> > >   Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 6:48 AM
> >> >> >> >> > >   Subject: [TVRO] Bad ID
> >> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> > >   When I recently lost electrical power for 8
> >> >> >> >> > hours, I lost all my
> >> >> >> >> > >   settings on my General Instruments 4DTV
> >> >> >> >> > receiver. I did a master
> >> >> >> >> > >   reset, but when I called Superstar for my guide
> >> >> >> >> > download they said
> >> >> >> >> > > I
> >> >> >> >> > >   had a bad ID number. Does anyone have any
> >> >> >> >> > advice? (other than
> >> >> >> >> > >   abandoning my BUD)
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