Hi, Sorry for this massage being somewhat off topic in here ...
Francois PIETTE wrote: >>Sure their privacy policy of the day say they won't spam, but it also >>says "We reserve the right to change our privacy policy at any time" >> >> > >If they change their policy, this would apply only to the data they >collected after their change. > > In a perfect world, that's how it would work. The way they usually do it is to hide somewhere on their site an note saying that the new terms apply to all users but you can opt out of the data sharing. Some even require you to send a snail mail letter to their 'office' in Aruba or Beijing ... They also generally sell their lists to resellers immediately after they announce the policy change (when not before!) so that as few as possible will have a chance to 'opt out' before the sale is completed. In this particular case: http://www.frappr.com/?a=doc§ion=privacy The relevant part is : "If we are going to use users' personally identifiable information in a manner different from that stated at the time of collection, we will notify users by placing a notice on our site" Another case of 'If' that means 'When' ... >Anyway, the mailing list is indexed by google, so your email is already >referenced by google. Search for a part of a message you wrote, for example >"but this part of DNS is still some kind" (use double quotes in google >search to do an exact search) and you get it >(http://www.google.fr/search?num=100&hl=fr&rls=GGLC%2CGGLC%3A1970-01%2CGGLC%3Afr&q=%22but+this+part+of+DNS+is+still+some+kind%22). > >You can aslo search for your email, either "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" or "erv at >sympatico.ca" and you find some references. You are well known on the >internet. I'm sure you already receive a lot of spam as I do (hundreds of >messages each single day). > > > First of all, if you get that much spam, do yourself a favor and add some spam filtering to your mail account. Getting your daily email will be a much better experience. There are different levels of spam. Pill / porn / mortgage / stock scams peddlers are the ones using spiders running on hijacked machines to gather emails the way you describe and honestly, They don't bother me much since their crap is easy to filter and will be deleted before ever reaching my machine. Their main effect is to make the mail server drive run slightly hotter and somewhat delay delivery for legitimate mails. Those that create more of a problem are the semi legitimate ones who navigate the gray area between spammy spam and legitimate lists. To operate legally or at least in a less contentious way, these lists don't use spider gathered mails and require each mail address they get from their 'partners' for supposedly 'opt in' inclusion in their lists to have a verifiable (not forged) dated IP. By inviting us, you implicitly gave them the dated IP, and the clear intent of your action was to have them send an email to the addresses you entered. It's more than enough for the 'opt-in' list resellers. I highly suspect Frappr is / will soon be one of those 'partners', since that's a major source of revenue for such sites (they claim to have more than a million users. If true, we're talking about a sizable amount of money here). If in 2 or 3 months, I start getting various 'newsletters', I won't be able to do anything about it, since they'll have a verifiable, non forged IP / date for my 'registration'. That's the main purpose behind these 'email this page to / invite a friend' links. They like them a lot, since complaining about it (as I'm doing now) seems quite rude and most people will not do it. Typically, lists users (such as Mypoints, Commission Junction ...) are 'legitimate businesses' whose messages are sent to a mix of recipients where some really requested them but most were bought from 'partners' who used a handful of tricks to get their 'consent'. Since the messages tend to be spammy but can arguably result in lots of false positives, their domains end up being whitelisted, thus rendering filtering impractical. They might send only 5% of all spam, but they often end up being 50% of spam that arrives in a properly filtered mail box, and that's why they are an annoyance. The 'opt in' you made with our email will not double my spam intake ;-) yet, people like me who keep their addresses for a long period of time (I got this one in 96), have to be careful and adequately protect them so that they remains usable, including to receive valuable informations from lists such as this one. Regards, Eric. >-- >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://www.overbyte.be > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Eric Montréal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "ICS support mailing" <twsocket@elists.org> >Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 4:15 PM >Subject: Re: [twsocket] ICS and MidWare Frappr group > > > > >>Francois PIETTE wrote: >> >> >> >>>I added custom pins to the Frappr ICS and MidWare group >>>(http://www.frappr.com/icsandmidware). Using those pins, you can tell if >>>you >>>are an ICS or a MidWare user, or both. If you already put your entry to >>>Frappr, please edit it to change your pin according to what you use. If >>>you >>>haven't added yourself to the map, just do it now ! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>I am sure the intention was good, and this Frappr thing can be >>appealing, but ... >> >>I would have liked this to be put only in the mailing list so that >>anyone interested could join >>instead of sending all our email addresses to "Rising Concept LLC" who >>operate Frappr. >>(or Am I the only one who got their "You have been invited to join 'ICS >>and MidWare'" >>email ?) >> >>By doing so, you 'opted in' everyone on the list to receive whatever >>they want to send us. >>Sure their privacy policy of the day say they won't spam, but it also >>says "We reserve the >>right to change our privacy policy at any time" >> >>Clearly, their business model is to sell people's location to >>advertisers. This information is >>valuable for marketers since they can not legally get it in most >>jurisdictions. >> >>When people sign for a list such as this one, they expect to be >>subscribing to the list and >>nothing else. A list maintainer should always consider the membership >>list a confidential >>information and never share it with a third party. >> >>My 0.02 ... >> >> >> >>>-- >>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>http://www.overbyte.be >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>-- >>To unsubscribe or change your settings for TWSocket mailing list >>please goto http://www.elists.org/mailman/listinfo/twsocket >>Visit our website at http://www.overbyte.be >> >> > > > -- To unsubscribe or change your settings for TWSocket mailing list please goto http://www.elists.org/mailman/listinfo/twsocket Visit our website at http://www.overbyte.be
