Better watch out, Jeff. Jeremy, a.k.a. Pope Innocent XXXX of the 8th
century Transylvanian Church of the Immaculate Ellison, will have you
crucified for heresy.
The next thing you know, Jeff, you'll be talking just like Neo and
Morpheus, "Remember that Oracle is just a computer program." ;-)
<<"I've heard that PICK programmers are too arrogant to recognize a
threat. Maybe that is why their database is losing to Oracle? :)">>
Well, what are IBM's and Micro$leaze's excuses?
<<"Look at a legacy Oracle system with required database standards built
in">>
And the maintenance and consulting fees for which provide St. Larry with
85% of his profits. Licensing fees are a drop in the bucket because,
like SAS, an Oracle DB ties a company to so much more.
"A stray bullet killed one bystander
slightly." - from the "Maryville (MO) Forum"
David Hanwell
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Ritchie
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 6:50 PM EDT
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [U2] MV Fad
And this month's Larry Ellison claim is ????? Well, it will be coming in
the next version, or the one after that, or at least some one has an
email about it. If they didn't invent the term "vaporware" for Oracle
they really should have.
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From: Jeremy Adell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, 6 May 2004 4:35 AM EDT
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Subject: RE: [U2] MV Fad
Stiletos? {SIC} Pink shoes? I can definitely see what these two have in
common with a database. :)
I've heard that PICK programmers are too arrogant to recognize a threat.
Maybe that is why their database is losing to Oracle? :)
Of course, now I will be labelled a heretic by the 12th century Catholic
Church of database programmers, but really, look at those who designed
the pick {SIC} systems.
To last at anything, you have to be realistic about your threats and
weaknesses. Look at a legacy Oracle system with required database
standards built in and compare it to a PICK db with no standards and 20
years of maintenance. At the PICK convention in Vegas this year, maybe
500 people showed up. I heard 5 years ago there more like 5,000. Sound
like a fad anyone? Maybe IBM can fix it.
> Yes, but Dawn, fads change. For example, I'm sure that you know that
> the fad among twentysomething female professionals used to be to
> wear pink or baby blue Nike jogging shoes to work and to carry their
> work shoes. Now when those women get off of a commuter train in
> Center City it looks like there's a morticians convention in town.
> They are all dressed in black business suits, hair tied back in a
> bun, and walking on ugly, clunky black Amish granny shoes.
>
> I can even feel the next fad coming, for suddenly stiletto shoes have
> made an appearance. I was walking up the stairs at Suburban Station,
> just fascinated by the twentysomething woman just in front of me who
> had:
> * a huge purse slung over her right shoulder,
> * a smaller purse in the crook of her right elbow,
> * the obligatory Starbucks travel mug in her right hand, and
> * a cell phone on which she was conversing in her left hand,
> all the while wobbling up the steps on thin 5" stiletto heels.
>
> It was a truly amazing athletic performance! ;-)
>
> Now, do we really want to be a fad?
>
> "Behold I am become Death,
> the shatterer of worlds." - Vishnu,
> in the Hindu Bhagavad Gita.
> David Hanwell
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dawn M.
> Wolthuis Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 10:44 AM EDT To: u2-
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> Subject: [U2] MV Fad
>
> I'm just smilin' big and decided to pass this along in case it
> brings a smile to your face too. Others in the "PICK world" or MV
> arena have been chatting on comp.databases.theory for much longer
> than I have (Wol introduced me to it). But I've been on there for
> some months now, addressing the question of why we teach relational
> theory as if it were "truth" and yet non-1NF databases seem to yield
> greater flexibility and productivity when used in businesses.
>
> I've been asking a lot of questions and have learned quite a bit. I
> also invited others on comp.databases.pick to pipe up on a particular
> posting, and several folks (most of them likely on this list too -
> thanks!) piped up.
>
> And then today ...
>
> Someone chimed in about the "MV Fad". So, there you have it -- you
> are not working with an outdated database, using an outdated data
> model -- now it's a fad! There are dollars in fads -- perhaps it's
> time to update our resumes. Smiles. --dawn
>
> P.S.-I would like to see non-relational data models (tree structures
> & di-graphs in particular) really become more than "a fad" (the next
> thing after strict RELATIONAL) because they work well and should
> have more industry resources angled their way. So, there is more
> work to do.
>
> Dawn M. Wolthuis
> Tincat Group, Inc.
> www.tincat-group.com
>
> Take and give some delight today.
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