Hmmm.... We are also neglecting to realize that there are several other factors
1) My brother has a masters in economics, he stuck out a few extra years in school. I would NOT put him in front of a client. He does not have people skills to save his life and his extra degree cannot help him with that. He is attempting his hand at Oracle consulting he is technically adept, but he hasn't had a client in well over a year, and I know why. 2) I also have the capacity to run rings around him concerning the understanding of many a vertical markets real life business process flows. Perhaps his lack of empathy and understanding of human nature impairs his ability to interact with many end users to get a full understanding. 3) There are some with degrees that would rather be perpetual students and look upon a position as a learning tool with no sense of loyalty or "stick-to-it-ness", they don't really want a "job". Someone who has stuck out years while accumulating the knowledge to perform their work has exhibited a "stick-to-it-ness" don't you think? 4) Having the ability to fork out 20K+ for an education does not make one smarter, it just means you were able to somehow accumulate the cash to go, others are not as fortunate and actually had to set aside that dream and go to work to earn a paycheck. 5) There are many who never completed their degrees who are/were extremely successful and brilliant. Some have skipped altogether only to receive an honorary doctorate/degree late in life for their major contributions. Take a peek at the lives (and educational paths of) Vivian Thomas, Bill Gates, John Nash, and Thomas Edison who only had 3 months of formal education his entire life, I suggest you do a bit more research in that area. 6) A piece of paper without DRIVE is nothing but a piece a paper and DRIVE without a piece of paper does not equal incompetence. It's the individual that matters, degreed or not. The paper is not a guarantee of intelligence, to assume otherwise is just exhibiting an obvious lack of it. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gordon Glorfield Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 3:47 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: [OT] [U2] Technical Product Manager opening in Boston (PICK/UniV erse/U2) When an employer requires a degree, it's not the programming training gotten through the school that they are looking for. Rather it's the overall education. I've known some brilliant programmers that could not put 2 words together to form an intelligent sentence. Hand them a spec and they could whip out some amazing code. Ask them to explain an issue to a user and they fail hopelessly. Also, a degree implies a certain level of "stick-to-it-ness" or perseverance. Meaning that the applicant has started and completed a multi-year program of study. A goal was set and met. That is an important trait for some employers. Gordon J. Glorfield Sr. Applications Developer MAMSI (A UnitedHealth Company) 301-360-8839 [snip] > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of > Adrian Matthews > Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 09:41 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [U2] Technical Product Manager opening in Boston > (PICK/UniVerse/U2) > > > I always wonder why people insist on a degree. Surely by the > time you've got the experience to do a job like this the fact > of whether you've got a degree or not is pretty irrelevant. > > [snip] > BS Degree required [snip] This e-mail, including attachments, may include confidential and/or proprietary information, and may be used only by the person or entity to which it is addressed. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or his or her authorized agent, the reader is hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by replying to this message and delete this e-mail immediately. ------- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ ------- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
