Gerry,
Embedded is also a code word meaning "we don't mention this part by
name". When people sell DB2 or Oracle based solutions, they tend to say,
we run our Apparel Application on Oracle. When the run on UniVerse,
UniData, and other MVs, they tend to say: We have an Apparel Application...
I've seen statistics from IBM claiming that as many as 11% of the
embedded database sales worldwide are U2.
- Charles "Embedded" Barouch
.
gerry-u2ug wrote:
>ok , so why would they care about PE ?
>
>What are you basing your 'embedded market' statement on ? I haven't heard of
>any instances of universe being run on any kind of embedded system - not
>saying there aren't any, i've just never heard of them.
>
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Adrian Matthews
>Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 03:54 PM
>To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
>Subject: RE: [U2] uv pe
>
>
>Don;t forget that a lot of developers actually work for the end user!
>
>Also, as I've pointed out before, U2 has a bigger share of the embedded market
>than Oracle so not everyone thinks it's expensive or could it be that the
>application is more important that whats its written in.........
>
>________________________________
>
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of gerry-u2ug
>Sent: Thu 17/02/2005 16:12
>To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
>Subject: RE: [U2] uv pe
>
>
>
>I don't get your point ?
>
>Who cares about Users opinions on PE, they should already have a fully
>licensed installation. I am just a poor lowly developer.
>
>Also - don't forget to consider that as developer costs rise, so do the costs
>of the products/services that they pass on to their customers. Especially when
>the developer decides that the cost/benefit of developing for U2 is no longer
>worth it and in order to use their latest and greatest killer app you are now
>forced to follow the developer to a big boy's system and its associated costs.
>The only thing that keeps U2 alive is the software that runs on it - when the
>U2 software development & support industry base dries up, no more U2. But
>then again maybe that is the whole idea ?
>
>Gerry
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Adrian Matthews
>Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 05:34 AM
>To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
>Subject: RE: [U2] uv pe
>
>
>To license Oracle for our production hardware would cost GBP250,000 or FIVE
>times what Universe costs us. And thats just for a database, I'd have to get
>more licenses to actually develop an equivalent system.
>
>I may have to pay for dev/test licenses on Universe whereas on Oracle I don't
>but it would still cost at least three times more to use Oracle.
>
>
>________________________________
>
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Phil Walker
>Sent: Thu 17/02/2005 01:17
>To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
>Subject: RE: [U2] uv pe
>
>
>
>Hi,
>
>Microsoft and Oracle both GIVE away, yes I said give away versions of their
>database products, and they both interact easily with modern gui/web based
>development environments, and you can search HUGE knowledge bases of
>information about how to do something.
>
>I know people in this group think U2 is the greatest, but that does not make
>it necessary to lock it up like the crown jewels.
>
>Questions:
>
>Why can't end users access the knowledgebase?
>Why isn't their developer versions of the U2 products, as it is the
>developers you generate UV license sales, not IBM?
>
>I can pay $900.00 NZD per year, and get a copy of MS Sql Server 2000, MS
>Exchange, MS SBS, 10 CALS for MS Professional XP, 10 CALS for MS Office
>2003, Sharepoint Portal, MS 2003 Server, MS 2003 Web Edition all to use for
>demos or in house to run my business.
>
>Some people may wonder why you would develop something in U2?
>
>Cheers,
>
>Phil Walker
>+64 27 5336294
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Allen E. Elwood
>Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 12:20 PM
>To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
>Subject: RE: [U2] uv pe
>
>I never thought I'd see grown people complaining that they hadn't gotten
>their free stuff soon enough.
>
>As in *free*
>
>*No charge*
>
>As in if you complain *TOO MUCH* maybe they'll start charging $100.00 for
>it.....PER YEAR.....
>
>You wanna know how much software I give away for free? Ok, maybe one little
>SUBR dict program using an index to retrieve data from a file with a
>different id, but that was it!
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of John Kent
>Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 14:19
>To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
>Subject: Re: [U2] uv pe
>
>
>What a joke Leroy
>
>I cant get access to Tech connect as we get our universe licenses through a
>master var
>This annoys us plus our client sites with inhouse programmers
>
>Its hard to defend IBM when they treat you like this
>
>jak
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Leroy Dreyfuss" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: <u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org>
>Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 4:05 PM
>Subject: RE: [U2] uv pe
>
>
>
>
>>They are coming. We haven't broken any promises. The quarter is only half
>>over.
>>
>>I would have thought a fair number of you folks would have downloaded
>>earlier versions by now as they were on the U2TechConnect Website for a
>>couple of years. We know you all want the latest and greatest features we
>>have to experiment with, and you'll have them with just a little patience.
>>Because they are free evaluation copies, we are required to package them a
>>bit differently, and the U2 group was not the only group involved in the
>>process. We, too, had to wait.
>>
>>They are nearly ready to be placed on the Web again, and we do regret the
>>time it has taken to get this far. We will be sure to announce their
>>arrival as soon as they are ready.
>>
>>Thanks again for waiting.
>>
>>
>>Regards,
>>
>>LeRoy F. Dreyfuss
>>Product Manager
>>IBM UniVerse and UniData (U2) Extended Relational Databases
>>IBM Information Management Software
>>Tel: 303-672-1254 Fax: 303-294-4832
>>Mobile: 720-341-4317 Tie-line: 770-1254
>>External email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>WWW: http://www.ibm.com/software/data/u2
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>>
>> "Marc Harbeson"
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>>:-)
>>
>>I was so mad..... I had just sent the email to IBM asking them where PE
>>was just a few days ago.... and got put off again... till march.
>>
>>This crap is beyond silly... I can download all kinds of PE versions of
>>Oracle.... <poke poke poke>
>>
>>Have I lit a big enough fire yet? Where's the gas!?!?
>>
>>LOL MOVE IT IBM!!!!!!
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Bruce Nichol
>>Sent: Tue 2/15/2005 9:32 PM
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>>Cc:
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>>
>>
>> Goo'day,
>>
>> HeHe.....
>> At 20:24 15/02/05 -0500, you wrote:
>>
>> ><soapbox>
>> >
>> >IBM's inability to deliver development tools ON TIME makes
>>myself wander
>>
>> Obviously a typo, but I can't help myself.....(sorry!)
>>
>> We "wandered" too.....to a different MV.......
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