u2-users-ow...@listserver.u2ug.org said the following on 8/23/2009 8:59 AM:
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Re: [U2] Better and Better Application - Launching today Friday
8/21/09 -- Browser instructions
From:
Bill Haskett <wphask...@advantos.net>
Date:
Sun, 23 Aug 2009 08:59:51 -0700
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Jeff:
Sounds like you, or someone else, would like to volunteer to set up
the development communications environment. :-) I too appreciate
the work of these volunteers.
I am using DesignBais to convert our somewhat large enterprise
application. It is a long process that takes quite a bit of time but
it looks nice and the least of my problems is the IE requirement. I
exclusively use Firefox with the IE Tabs plug-in installed.
Occasionally I have to be cautious about a Firefox upgrade but anyone
who uses plug-ins knows this. I've been using this IE plug-in since
FF 2 and it works great. So, anyone with a Windows machine can use
Firefox. If one is running a Mac one needs Windows installed in
parallels (or whatever) to use FF.
Since we're all developers I'd think at least 90 - 95% of us use
Windows (I didn't say everyone!). This means a vast majority of us
can use IE or Firefox. I'm guessing IE and FF have at least 80%
market share so I don't believe what the B&B committee is doing is
unreasonable by any stretch of the imagination. DesignBais is
significantly easier to develop in than anything else. It uses
straight U2 tools (U2 & UO) effectively. Changes can be done easily
and the installation and configuration issues can usually be resolved
quickly. This is completely unlike most other technologies where
multiple people need to be involved and getting the most simple change
takes a lot more time and patience than most volunteers have.
Besides, I suspect this small application was written using the W3C
standards and should work with everything shortly. In addition, I
suspect the IE8 issues will be resolved shortly too.
Bill
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Jeff Powell said the following on 8/23/2009 7:00 AM:
I think this project has a lot of potential. Kudos to those who are
giving of their time to participate.
I don't know if there is an intent to deploy it for Chrome, FF,
Safari, etc,
I'm guessing there is an intent to have it usable in IE 8 at some
point.
IE 6 & 7 are sunset. You may consider looking at the browser market
share stats by following the link below.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1001_3-10303614-92.html?part=rss&tag=feed&subj=Webware
That a piece of deployable software could be written by volunteers in
relatively short order is great. Even if I would rather see
developers have
toolsets and frameworks that provide cross-browser support, that can be
quite expensive to write and support.
After reading some of the posts by those who are working on this
project it sounds like managing the project is the most difficult
aspect. If that is the case perhaps a lesson can be gleaned from the
open source community where developers from all over the world
collaborate on a project. A few specific projects that come to mind are:
-The linux kernel and various distributions (I use Ubuntu and Fedora).
-Mozilla (firefox & thunderbird)
-Netbeans (Java IDE)
-MySql
-Chromium (google chrome)
There also are the thousands of projects on sourceforge.net.
All of these have many developers working together with source code
control and formal bug reporting/assignment.
Best regards.
Jeff
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