I'm no shill for Epicor, they usually regard me as competition for their consulting and project management services.
I just thought that I would contribute about a topic that I was pretty familiar with. I thought that was part of value of this forum. Pardon me for interrupting. -----Original Message----- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Mecki Foerthmann Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 1:01 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICKSystems Administratorposition You forgot the [AD] in the subject line g. Sound like an Epicor sales pitch to me. On 06/04/2011 19:34, John Carter wrote: > I don't usually contribute much to this forum - but I appreciate the chance > to stay connected via the great posts here. In this case however, I do have > some specific experience relative to this thread that might be beneficial to > some. > > I've worked as a user, Epicor project manager/consultant, and independent ERP > consultant since 1985 on several Dataworks/Interactive/Platinum/Epicor > products including: DataFlo, Infoflo, and Avante (I've worked with Avante > from the original release to the current version), and now Epicor 9. > > Relative to the Progress/SQL conversations: Epicor 9 can run on SQL or > Progress, but our benchmark testing indicated much slower performance on a > very beefy SQL machine. Processes, forms and reports were timed at 1/2 to 1/4 > the speed that they run on an average Progress server. Additionally, Epicor > wasted much of my customer's time claiming that the transition would be > simple (it wasn't), and that SQL would be faster, or equal to Progress (it > definitely wasn't). We gave up and stayed on Progress - but use SQL for our > Replication Server. > > Regarding functionality - in my opinion Avante and DataFlo can still run > circles around Epicor 9 in many applications - the E9 design and > functionality is not as deep or well developed yet. However, it is getting > most of Epicor's development resources and attention these days and is > getting better quickly. I wouldn't advise most of my customers to make the > leap yet (but maybe in a couple of years) from Avante/DataFlo to E9, but it > was a natural evolution for my customer that was previously using Vista 8. > > In my opinion, the central benefit to E9 over Avante though is the ability to > modify the functionality of the software without modifying the source code. > They do this via Business Process Methods (BPM's) and Personalizations. > Screen layout and fields are also very easy to modify. Extracting and > presenting data is very straightforward and interfaces to MS products pretty > seamlessly, in most cases users can perform extracts to Excel out of the box > - no IT interface required. Sophisticated reports can be quickly and easily > developed using E9's Business Activity Queries (BAQ's) and Dashboards. Both > of which can be learned and used by anyone that could in the past use MS > Access or some of Excel's advanced functions. This limits IT involvement to > only very complex report solutions (which can also be done using BAQ's and > Dashboards, but may take a little more time to develop). > > The most obvious advantage comparing Epicor 9 to Avante for the customers > that I have worked with is that making changes to process functionality using > Business Process Methods (BPM's) does not inhibit the company from taking > EVERY patch or upgrade that is offered. NO KNITTING. The BPM's, BAQ's and > Dashboards (custom reports) are easily moved from the previously installed > version to the next. So, every time a new release comes out, IT does a quick > 1-2 set-up and test, training is developed and implemented for new product > functionality associated with the new release (usually less than one week), > critical users exercise and test the new version in the Pilot account, then > the upgrade/patch is rolled out. We can take advantage of new functionality > and bug fixes almost immediately (usually within 2-5 business days of > roll-out) without worrying about which modifications might be stepped on or > deleted. > > Sometimes the Epicor 9 experience can be very frustrating, but we believe > that Epicor is going in the right direction and within a couple of years E9 > will probably match Avante and DataFlo in functionality. > > In spite of some of the pain associated with being part of the rollout of a > new(ish) product, the IT departments at my customers are GLAD that they are > on Epicor 9. > > John H Carter III > Impact Business Consulting Corporation > Cell (760) 497-5545 > "Unlocking Your Potential" > > > -----Original Message----- > From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org > [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Dawn Wolthuis > Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 10:51 AM > To: U2 Users List > Subject: Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICK Systems > Administratorposition > > Yeah, I had the feeling some folks took the bait in that direction, > particularly once they gave that oh-so-enticing option of SQL Server. I'm > particularly amused by this line in the wikipedia page for Progress "Progress > Software maintains in house consultants to develop and launch its products." > That sounds almost like the PeopleSoft model -- hire sales, outsource R&D, > although they seem to "insource" them instead. > > Sorry you have had to go this route due to what would seem to be a > reasonable company decision to continue with the ERP vendor and migrate to > their latest offering. I recall a time not too long ago when Epicor was from > the top UniData VAR and Datatel was the 2nd. They now both have SQL Server > offerings, although to date Datatel's still has UDT in the middle tier > AFAIK. --dawn > > On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 11:51 AM, Barry Rogen <bro...@pny.com> wrote: > >> Epicor has their "package of the future" which started as Vantage and >> is now just called Epicor 9. It is a Progress based system which can run on >> either a Progress database or Sql. Unfortunately, my company has taken the >> misstep to divert from UniVerse to this monstrosity. >> >> Barry Rogen >> Senior Programmer/Analyst >> 973 560-5327 >> bro...@pny.com >> ----------------------------------------------------- >> We are continually faced with great opportunities >> brilliantly disguised as insoluble problems. >> John W Gardner >> ---------------------------------------------------------------- >> Before printing please think about your environmental responsibility >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto: >> u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bill Brutzman >> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 12:34 PM >> To: U2 Users List >> Subject: Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICK Systems Administrator >> position >> >> Epicor's Avante used to run on both UniData and UniVerse. I presume that >> Avante is still the same. Avante-UniData was intended for Windows Servers. >> Avante-UniVerse on Unix Servers. >> >> I am not aware of any Epicor's product running on Progress. >> >> I believe that Epicor had (or still has) other ERP software running on U2. >> >> A few years ago, with Epicor's new president, George X... Epicor's newer >> flagship product was released and runs on Microsoft SQL Server. >> >> --Bill >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto: >> u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Dawn Wolthuis >> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 12:18 PM >> To: U2 Users List >> Subject: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICK Systems Administrator >> position >> >> This is fascinating, although I primarily know these products from a >> distance. Am I correct that Epicor was UniData. Is it now Progress instead? >> Have customers moved from UniData to Progress? Was this previously Intuit >> Eclipse that runs on UniVerse? What DBMS will this new company favor? Does >> anyone have any more clues on this? --dawn >> >> On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 11:03 AM, Garry Smith <gar...@charlesmcmurray.com >>> wrote: >>> Could be for our ex-var Activant Eclipse that just got re-sold to >>> another equity investor. >>> >>> "Private equity firm Apax Partners plans to acquire >>> business-application makers Epicor Software and Activant Solutions and >>> combine them into a single mid-market company with annual revenue of $825 >> million." >>> - Information Week 4/5 >>> >>> Most of these are U2 based applications. >>> >>> Garry L. Smith >>> Dir Info Systems >>> Charles McMurray Company >>> V# 559-292-5782 F# 559-346-6169 >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org >>> [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bob >>> Woodward >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 8:56 AM >>> To: U2 Users List >>> Subject: Re: [U2] PICK Systems Administrator position >>> >>> It's obviously a new installation at the nuclear missile base that >>> Santa is building at the North pole! Or maybe this is a fishing >>> expedition with a safety pin for a hook. You decide. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org >>> [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Joseph >>> Chelston >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 8:49 AM >>> To: U2 Users List >>> Subject: Re: [U2] PICK Systems Administrator position >>> >>> Please email directly and I'll be happy to discuss with you. >>> >>> This is a very confidential position. >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org >>> [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Marc >>> Harbeson >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 11:38 AM >>> To: 'U2 Users List' >>> Subject: Re: [U2] PICK Systems Administrator position >>> >>> Can you at least say "southern CA" or "northern NY" or something in >>> the ballpark of where on earth it is located? >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org >>> [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Joseph >>> Chelston >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 11:22 AM >>> To: U2 Users List >>> Subject: [U2] PICK Systems Administrator position >>> >>> We are seeking a PICK Systems Administrator for a long term contract >>> position. >>> >>> >>> >>> Due to confidentiality, we will not post specific details on this forum. >>> >>> >>> >>> Please email me if you are interested exploring. I'll be happy to give >>> you the full details of this opportunity direct. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> >>> >>> Joe Chelston >>> >>> Executive Recruiter >>> >>> >>> >>> Phone: 856.218.1000 >>> >>> Fax: 856.228.8585 >>> >>> Cell: 856.422.4400 >>> >>> Email: j...@bsgstaffing.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> U2-Users mailing list >>> U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org >>> http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> U2-Users mailing list >>> U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org >>> http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users >>> _______________________________________________ >>> U2-Users mailing list >>> U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org >>> http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users >>> _______________________________________________ >>> U2-Users mailing list >>> U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org >>> http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users >>> _______________________________________________ >>> U2-Users mailing list >>> U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org >>> http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users >>> >> >> >> -- >> Dawn M. 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