Hmm, That approach is understandable in offering a backwardly compatible solution but I wish they had been a bit braver with it..
If they had looked at what OpenQM did with creating a more class-oriented structure in their version of basic, which makes for better surfacing of methods (especially with my unit testing hat on), that would potentially have offered a lot more options. I'm guessing it's the same low-impact mindset that stopped them from doing UDO's as first class citizens of the language, instead hiding them behind an ugly function library that obscures the structure (which is surely the whole point of JSON style objects?) Brian -----Original Message----- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Rick Nuckolls Sent: 25 September 2013 00:16 To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] Recommended 11.1.point release to upgrade to. Chuck, I agree that they took a simple (but fine) route on the local scoping. What is funny is that the interpretation of it seems to be that it allows the overriding of the production version of subroutines rather than simply creation of a "safe" version of gosub. It should work for both; I just never pictured it that way. Be sure to read the install notes on 11, in particular, the "NUSERS" config item is new & important. Fixtool finally seems to work well. I know that a lot of work has gone into that over the previous couple of years. Rick -----Original Message----- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Charles Stevenson Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 3:53 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Recommended 11.1.point release to upgrade to. Thanks, Rick. They're finally getting in your desired variable scoping into 11.2, too. >From what I read, I like how they did it. My prejudice against being an early adopter of major releases kicks in & makes me not want 11.2.0. 11.2.4 maybe. Also, if I wait until November, my window closes. The vast majority of the issues listed in the 11.1 release notes have to do with stuff we don't use at all (DR, DARE, MQ, etc), or use so minimally that complete regression testing is easy (XML, callHTTP, etc.) There were several issues having to do with indexing. I think if I validate the indexes after regression tests, that should suffice. Issues that involve locking are trickier. It will require load testing and lock contention. I am not looking forward to that. The only time in my whole career that I recall having any problem with backward compatibility after a UV upgrade is also the only time I've seen a day's worth of work for an entire company abandoned and the previous night's backups restored. There was an undocumented change to FMT was made that ended up truncating out data, if I recall. It's in the U2-list archives. Some of the same people who suffered through that are with me now. cds On 9/25/2013 12:53 AM, Rick Nuckolls wrote: > Chuck, > > We currently have one machine running 11.1.12 with no real problems. 11.1.13 is basically a one, only-on-severe-load, bug fix, and even then, unlikely. > > There is at least one thing that I am expecting in 11.2 that is worth waiting for, assuming it shows up. I did not see it in the public beta. I think that 11.2 is supposed to be out around Nov 1. > > -Rick > > -----Original Message----- > From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Charles Stevenson > Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 2:28 PM > To: U2 Users List > Subject: [U2] Recommended 11.1.point release to upgrade to. > > We're finally going to upgrade from 10.2.10 to 11.1.[something]. > > But which point release? > > We're on Win2003. (Linux next year. Baby steps.) > > Release Date Issues > 11.1.13 Sept 2013 3 brand new. > 11.1.12 June 2013 38 rescinded > 11.1.11 Mar 2013 30 Metadata Manager introduced. > 11.1.10 Dec 2012 66 > 11.1.9 May2012 75 > 11.1.8 ? 2 > 11.1.7 Dec 2011 3 > 11.1.6 ? 4 > 11.1.5 Nov 2011 42 > 11.1.4 Aug 2011 17 > 11.1.3 Jun 2011 17 > 11.1.2 May 2011 29 > 11.1.1 Feb 2011 45 > 11.1.0 ? 23 > > I generally tend to not be an early adopter when the major release first > comes out unless it has a new functionality that I have a strong > business need for. > The later point releases tend to be bug fixes, so I am more prone to get > them sooner rather than wait. > > In this case though, we have new functionality, Metadata Manager, > introduced at 11.1.11. > Are many users on 11.1.11? Happy? > > If i understand correctly, 11.1.12 was pulled off the market because of > a bug that was fixed in 11.1.13, which just came out. So not much > experience in the wild with these 2. > > Which one did / would you choose to upgrade to 11.1? > > > TIA > Chuck Stevenson > > _______________________________________________ > U2-Users mailing list > U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org > http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > _______________________________________________ > U2-Users mailing list > U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org > http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > _______________________________________________ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users _______________________________________________ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users _______________________________________________ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
