On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 05:40:32PM +0000, Mark Shuttleworth wrote: > On 25/02/10 16:16, Michael Vogt wrote: > > This is fixed in bzr now and will be part of the next upload. It will > > display a different text depending on if universe is enabled or not. As > > for your comments in #3 - this is how we do it currently, packages that > > were obsolete before are not touched. Packages that become obsolete > > during the upgrade will be removed. > > > > This leaves the gray area of packages that are demoted to universe but > > not removed from the archive. Historically we have kept them on the > > users system if the user has universe enabled (most have) to not disrupt > > the users habits. > > > > I think the key question is whether they were in main and installed by > default, or just in main. If they were installed by default, then we > should remove them. If they were not installed by default, then leave > them because they were clearly selected by the user.
Yes, I think this is a good policy. > > This is a tricky area because e.g. when we move from gthumb (that is in > > universe now) to f-spot in the default install and would remove gthumb > > from the users system, then f-spot will not know how to import the > > gthumb catalogs, folders, bookmarks etc. So the user will have a new > > photo management application without photos. Depending on how technical > > he/she is,that can be a scary experience because he will not know if the > > photos are gone as well. So he needs to setup f-spot in the way he wants > > (import folders, etc) or manually go to software-center and get it back. > > > > We should not switch horses without providing an upgrade script which > moves the content/bookmarks/preferences/accounts. We have been lax in the past about ensuring that. Or even that they are on par when it comes to features. To stress the gthumb -> f-spot example again, gthumb can play videos, f-spot can not. Of course this kind of switch is the exception. But I agree of course that we shouldn't bother the user with the fact that "sreadahead" is no longer in main. This cycle we also replaced "xsane" with "simple-scan", I will enquire to see if they have the same set of features and if there is a upgrade route (or if we need one). To me it sounds like the way forward is: - show a slideshow to communicate when existing apps get replaced - ditch support-ended dialog in GUI mode entirely *or* - show only "high level" apps in the GUI support ended dialog (and find a reliable way to identify them) *or* - fold the "support ended" dialog into the "Are you ready to rock"^W "Do you want to start the the upgrade?" dialog as one more item that goes into the "details" What do you think? Or would you prefer me to contact the design team to get input on the above questions? Thanks, Michael -- Support ends dialog should auto-detect universe https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/518856 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list [email protected] https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
