-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello,
On 08/04/2011 11:17 AM, Oliver Grawert wrote: > hi, Am Donnerstag, den 04.08.2011, 10:56 -0400 schrieb Mackenzie > Morgan: >> On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 10:49 AM, Oliver Grawert <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>> hi, Am Donnerstag, den 04.08.2011, 10:12 -0400 schrieb Mackenzie >>> Morgan: >>>> More like: Ugh, these two getting upset about the people they >>>> manage being rejected. Again. How predictable! *eye roll* >>> and what forbids them from being like that ? >> >> As far as I can tell: a rubber stamp. Someone on Dustin's team >> applied. Better accept them if we want to avoid another fiasco! > so avoiding the confrontation is better than convincing dustin ? > really, it is dustins problem, not canonicals, dustin could be the > leader of the foobar team that maintains the barfoo software in > ubuntu and would be upset if one of his team members would be > rejected. it has (once again my mantra) *nothing to do with > canonical* I agree that it has nothing to do with Canonical-the-company-personhood. The company is not doing anything. Contrary to what US laws say, companies are not persons and can not make actions. Only individuals within those companies can make actions and decisions. Thus, saying that Person Y who happens to work for Company A does something, especially if it highly relates to the work they do for Company A, is hard to disassociate from that company. That is why you see personal blogs include statements like "These are my views and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer." They are needed because people's actions as they relate to work-related work, are associated with the company. Now, again, with that said, I agree with Scott that there is *no evidence* of a systematic nefarious plan within Canonical. Far from it. I see people trying to do the right thing (get their employees involved with the Ubuntu Community). That is great. Please do more! BUT! The first entry into the Ubuntu Community *can not be* an application to any Membership Board. There must be something you can point to that shows you have interacted with the community in some way. Whether that be through bug reporting/triaging, submitting patches, working tables at conferences, helping on IRC/Forums/AskUbuntu, something that interacts directly with the community. The Community Council will decide soon on where that line is drawn (what is "directly with the community" in my parlance). We can rekindle that part of the debate after they've decided (for little gain), but I'd rather not. But back to the issue that many perceive (from both the community and from Canonical) as being easily titled "the community vs Canonical." I think that it is an unfortunate, but sometimes true, issue. We've seen it before with the controversy surrounding the name of Ubuntu One[0], we've seen it with the Banshee "kerfuffle"[1], we've seen it with copyright assignments for Canonical instigated projects, and we've seen it with the membership process. I might be able to go one with that list, but I don't feel that is productive. However, acknowledging that it exists is the first step that *everyone* who is throwing words around in this thread needs to do. Of course, how much of a dissonance there is between the community and Canonical varies with everyone's perspective, the situation at hand, and any other variables that come into play. [0] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-servers/+bug/375345 (best reference I could find quickly) [1] http://blog.grossmeier.net/2011/02/24/the-kerfuffle/ Once we've all acknowledged that fact, we can work to remedy it in whatever situation we find ourselves. No one person, or even group of people, even the all powerful Community Council, can fix it. It takes each and every one of us to "Do The Right Thing" in situations that expose the issue. Without that, we fail. We fail when we knee-jerk at each other over perceived wrongs. This is true not just in Ubuntu, but everywhere. What is the Right Thing? It is whatever brings us, Ubuntu, closer to accomplishing our goals. I'm not talking about any specific goal, but everything from fixing one FTBFS to Bug #1. Balances must be struck between the solvency of Canonical and the health of the community (when those are in contrast, which I don't think they normally are), between releasing on time and fixing all those special bugs, and between rewarding contributions to the community and rewarding contributions to Canonical. Let's just not try to remove one of the best things that the Ubuntu community has: a vibrant, important, engaged, and nominally fair membership granting process. It is true what Laura C. said, the membership boards are made up of volunteers who are *highly* committed to the best interests of Ubuntu, and when they hear individuals repeatedly complain about their decisions in passive aggressive and non-constructive ways (from people who should know better, I might add) the boar members' morale goes down. I've tried to stay out of this thread as much as possible as I'm on the America's RMB, but I have to say, I'm feeling a little unwanted. Only by some individuals, obviously. But the feeling is still there. I hope this message is received in the manner it was intended; to bring back our focus to what really matters. All the best, Greg - -- | Greg Grossmeier | | http://grossmeier.net | -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJOOsu4AAoJEH0TRE10HeqfIiwQAKEBXvSwrm1OmYlsP/8wxWyM NupEHo5GETHs+ZF8VNt0bN+of6H7DYZ3fVPv90EYB87LIxBnz6O3gNjDcYHEia+7 9XfHUyXbtAiWIw89Nf+gWNLugsL00JpInrfgDip0lB5sW1+1UsyC659Rewqhm1y/ vwiGT8eZmNETJDynvjBx4RkuLIAuL1LvKOjPbLVnP7sI/scU7CHZpoTGLM/N4epm y2SDQt4y9V1IvvXOHF1gCs/N9X10It970KEGGmQJaNMyaxYKw+e2BNC1yEYUI3Ay sXL3DQWalNReYreUqH2+VZHKI9YK/S4ifWqnTCPwnt5ahlM0QfDMuSpv0on65LRW 2bVsDViZqul1b+SCXINT0ee5LUt498IGUHexaLjmJyT8q6ngocKdABk8OOCcxKy8 A8nufeK5Tr3fyKsB0pM/yVdzGeIe5YPEJmovm5wWxuFufz7wobX6YAGu1DTJa/xJ ieYvhJWcWe/DGSZUfpLUVfmLiXH+sF05N5rm+beyBB7Jzd8vUgGiyVrSGKRdMN1X 7mcEcweLTB5B+vBSlj4jCiR6kYchHURlN6w+i4DxwKcoRhA/1/dhWvt+cJYd3tqe aN+ugfCGWY9SqdfvH02xsyA10OF3IP/9lA3EyNj9uL/Cr8APSPzxJe/aBfIi+TZ3 hLY4VkkdWkVTVuDEnahg =f2UT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- ubuntu-devel mailing list [email protected] Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
