On 03/05/14 22:16, Paul wrote: > I am very aware that the code base is maintained by volunteers I > contribute to two open source projects. On both we freeze any > development on future for 8 weeks after a release to allow all our > resources to be used on fixing bugs. Trusty freeze started on 20th Feb, I doubt much changed since then apart from bug fixes and the odd FFe. > > The whole purpose of the original post was to ask very simple question > "Is the balance right between developing future releases and making the > current LTS stable? Its not about balance?!?! Development doesnt stop because you want to use the LTS. As it is 99% of fixes in the LTS release are backported from the current dev release > > But the response that was given "I can guarantee you no one on the > Ubuntu GNOME team is familiar with that codebase". From that should I > understand that the Ubuntu Gnome development team have no knowledge of a > key Gnome component ? GNOME is huge! we have a small team that are mostly focussed on the desktop. As I consider it that is more a niche component. I certainly don't have time to track down corner-case bugs that might take me half a day, when I could fix half-a-dozen far more important bugs in that time. Consider Priorities ;) As it stands GNOME (Desktop) on Ubuntu in general is probably 1000x better than it was in 12.04. IF there is something you care about, then *you* should make the effort, to get the info to the right people, in this case, we are not the right people! > > > On Sat, 2014-05-03 at 21:29 +1000, Tim wrote: >> On 03/05/14 20:31, Paul wrote: >>> An example >>> >>> Network-manager-openvpn (Ubuntu) Tags Trusy >>> >>> Bug raised 20-03-2014 >>> >>> Confirmed 27-03-2014 Affecting multiple users >>> >>> >>> Status now 03-05-14 10:25 GMT Confirmed Importance High Unassigned >> I wasn't really asking for just one example. If you have issues you should >> provide links to all the bugs! Maybe we can't help with that bug, but >> could probably tell you if its better filed with debian or upstream! >> >> You do realise that *everything* in universe is maintained by volunteers >> right? You honestly can't expect instant fixes for these things, we >> have real lives, real jobs and just spend our spare time doing this! >> Besides, that bug is not a regression since the betas since it was there in >> the beta's according to comments (which is what you were actually >> complaining about?). Probably that is an upstream bug introduced by the new >> version. I can guarantee you no one on the Ubuntu GNOME team is familiar >> with that codebase, so you won't find anyone here that can fix it! >>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager-openvpn/+bug/1294899 >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, 2014-05-03 at 07:48 +1000, Tim wrote: >>>> On 03/05/14 02:31, Paul wrote: >>>>> The version error I agree is not a big thing. I only discovered it when >>>>> I was trying to discover why the gnome-network-manager that worked (yes >>>>> I tested it) on the beta and release candidates of gnome 14.04 worked >>>>> but on the released version don't. Actually there is a long list of >>>>> things that worked on candidates of genome 14.04 but don't in the full >>>>> release. What I find most is that the bugs that are confirmed and marked >>>>> as high priority affecting multiple users have no developer assigned to >>>>> look at them after 2 weeks. >>>> Complaining about generic bugs on a mailing list is not going to help >>>> anyone, atleast provide specific examples *with* launchpad links! It is >>>> fairly normal for some bugs to slip through release, especially when the >>>> last few weeks of the release cycle is spent stabilising the images and >>>> installer. >>>>> Given that gnome 13.10 updates end in the next few weeks it does cause >>>>> some concern. >>>> 13.10 support will end around the time 14.04.1 is released, if you are >>>> really worried about stability then just wait for that before upgrading! >>>>> On Sat, 2014-05-03 at 01:25 +1000, Martin Kelly wrote: >>>>>> Hey, >>>>>> The PPA your talking about isn't just solely Ubuntu GNOME's >>>>>> developers. It is a general ppa for all Ubuntu based OS's. It is the >>>>>> upstream repository they (Ubuntu GNOME) use before including it in the >>>>>> mainline repository. This means it is maintained independently of >>>>>> Ubuntu GNOME. So the bugs you are referring too are inherent from >>>>>> GNOME developers not the developers here. >>>>>> >>>>>> Aside from the version error, which I don't see as that big of a deal. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> Martin >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my Windows Phone >>>>>> >>>>>> ______________________________________________________________________ >>>>>> From:Paul >>>>>> Sent:3/05/2014 12:12 AM >>>>>> To:[email protected] >>>>>> Cc:ubuntu-gnome >>>>>> Subject:Re: ubuntu-gnome14.04 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks for your reply >>>>>> >>>>>> The big question is how did so many major bugs appear in the final >>>>>> release that were not present in the beta testing releases ? >>>>>> >>>>>> I accept the point about nothing being perfect and I would not expect >>>>>> that. The point I was trying to make was this. Bugs that have been >>>>>> marked high priority have no developers assigned in 3.10 the release >>>>>> version of gnome yet we get gnome 3.12 in the staging ppa and >>>>>> developers >>>>>> working on that. >>>>>> >>>>>> So just simple question is the priority getting the bugs fixed in the >>>>>> new release or moving on to the next release ? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, 2014-05-02 at 17:00 +0400, Ali/amjjawad wrote: >>>>>>> Hi and thanks for your reply but please make sure to hit Reply To >>>>>> All >>>>>>> so that everyone read your email as this is a mailing list not an >>>>>>> communication between two people only :) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 4:31 PM, Paul <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> Obviously not. But I did notice that it was added 2 days >>>>>> after >>>>>>> I >>>>>>> downloaded 14.04 !!. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We don't release any version unless we finish the release notes and >>>>>>> publish that at the same time we publish the announcement :) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This is the release notes: >>>>>>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseNotes/UbuntuGNOME >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This is the known bug: >>>>>>> >>>>>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/1299912 >>>>>>> It has been reported in: >>>>>>> 2014-03-30 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Why we couldn't fix it on time before the release? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We couldn't for many reasons that I will leave it to the developers >>>>>>> and/or packaging team to comment on :) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I do appreciate that a lot of work went into 14.04 but I >>>>>> must >>>>>>> say that >>>>>>> there is a awful lot of bugs in it. Two weeks on from the >>>>>>> release still >>>>>>> a lot of the network-manager addons are not working to >>>>>> mention >>>>>>> just one. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 1- Nothing is prefect :) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2- Expecting something to work perfectly is a story and 'getting >>>>>>> involved' and 'do' something to help Ubuntu GNOME and deal with a >>>>>>> 'huge burden' is something totally different and another story. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 3- Lack of manpower + tight Ubuntu Schedule is another story. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That said, you can't really expect something to work with zero bugs. >>>>>>> That is just not logical and will never happen. There will be always >>>>>>> bugs ;) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Maybe my understanding of an LTS release is wrong but I >>>>>>> understood this >>>>>>> was aimed at the enterprise. Hence the release date being in >>>>>>> the middle >>>>>>> of the Redhat/CentOS conference. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTS >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I think when you review the 14.04 LTS release you need to >>>>>> ask >>>>>>> who your >>>>>>> target user is because quite clearly being in the middle and >>>>>>> trying to >>>>>>> satisfy both solid and stable as well as bleeding edge is >>>>>> not >>>>>>> working. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying >>>>>> to >>>>>>> please everybody." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This is what I personally believe in :) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We know nothing is perfect. We know there are some mistakes and >>>>>> bugs. >>>>>>> We haven't said Ubuntu GNOME is No.1 as there is no such thing as >>>>>>> No.1 .. however, we haven't given up and with the so limited >>>>>> manpower, >>>>>>> we got the LTS Status: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://ubuntugnome.org/lts-status/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> IMHO, that was our huge achievement despite all the bad and down >>>>>>> things we have. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And, as always, we promise to do our best and learn from the past >>>>>> for >>>>>>> a better future :) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thank you for your feedback, we highly appreciate that :) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, 2014-05-02 at 16:09 +0400, Ali/amjjawad wrote: >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 4:05 PM, Paul >>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>> > Has anyone else noticed that if you go into >>>>>>> > settings->details->overview >>>>>>> > it report ubuntu 13.10. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > The system was a clean install of gnome 14.04 from >>>>>>> the install >>>>>>> > DVD have >>>>>>> > attached the source.list and cant see anything >>>>>>> wrong. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Hi, >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Kindly have a read at: >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >>>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-gnome/2014-April/001897.html >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Anyone else get the same thing >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > -- >>>>>>> > Ubuntu-GNOME mailing list >>>>>>> > [email protected] >>>>>>> > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-gnome >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Thank you! >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > -- >>>>>>> > Best Regards, >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > amjjawad >>>>>>> > Remember: "All of us are smarter than any one of us." >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Ubuntu GNOME OneStopPage >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Join Ubuntu GNOME >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Test Ubuntu GNOME >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Contact Ubuntu GNOME >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Download Ubuntu GNOME >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Best Regards, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> amjjawad >>>>>>> Remember: "All of us are smarter than any one of us." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ubuntu GNOME OneStopPage >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Join Ubuntu GNOME >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Test Ubuntu GNOME >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Contact Ubuntu GNOME >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Download Ubuntu GNOME >>>>>> > >
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