Martin Ahnelöv wrote: >> Martin Ahnelöv wrote: >> > mÃ¥n 2007-08-13 klockan 08:26 +0100 skrev alan c: >> >> Blog: >> >> Why Is PCLinuxOS 2007 Better Than Ubuntu ? >> >> >> http://www.pkblogs.com/cyneuron/2007/08/why-is-pclinuxos-2007-better-than.html#comment-1731958896017522083 >> >> >> >> This blog has the most succinct comparison I have seen, I am >> impressed. >> >> I find I am in agreement with most (not all) of what is said, and >> I >> >> would like to see more discussion about it, with the objective of >> >> Ubuntu - or the family of products - staying top in as many areas >> as >> >> possible. >> >> >> >> The wonderful moves from Dell are very heartening, and I am >> delighted. >> >> >> >> I know that one point made in any related discussion is about >> codecs >> >> and legal issues, and K/Ubuntu has made great strides to help with >> >> this. I also know that with corporate backing such legal >> restraints >> >> are in place for good reason. >> >> >> >> I look at the distrowatch hit rankings regularly and am still >> >> concerned that ubuntu has consistently fallen below its top place >> for >> >> months now. It continues to fall. There is a significant and >> >> continuing move of interest towards pclinuxos with ubuntu coming >> >> second, and not by a small margin either. It will not be long >> before >> >> the default display of 6 month figures show a change, although >> ubuntu >> >> is still showing as number one currently with a small and reducing >> lead. >> >> >> >> It is the role of marketing to assess the market, and its >> movements, >> >> and help guide future product offerings and the perception of the >> >> products. >> >> >> >> Comments appreciated. >> > >> > I haven't been worried until now when you showed me these numbers. >> And >> > frankly, after reading that "article," I'm relieved. I mean, he >> can't >> > spell, use punctuations properly, or even spell "I" with a capital >> I. >> > And after reading the reasons, I was laughing. I can absolutely not >> take >> > him seriously. >> > >> > He just seems to be trolling. >> >> Hi Gasten >> (did you intend this to be off list?) > > No, sorry! I usually have to just click on the answer-button in > Evolution to send to the list, but this list seems to be configured > different than I'm used to. > >> Thank you for taking the numbers seriously. >> >> I did not notice the spelling in the article. I was very impressed >> with the clarity of the opinion, its detailed analysis, and the >> logical relevance to something which troubles me greatly - loss of >> leading status of Ubuntu in an obvious metric (distrowatch). It helps >> too that I agree with a great deal in what he says. For example I >> talk >> with many windows users who are thinking of trying K/Ubuntu (linux). >> When discussing the options it is usual for them to prefer kubuntu >> rather than ubuntu. >> >> I think it is a mistake to discount the points because of poor >> spelling, and I do not think it is a troll at all. It has taken too >> much effort to put together. Ubuntu is very significantly loosing to >> pclinuxos, for whatever reason. Soon we are likely to see pclinuxos >> being pre installed by small traders when selling hardware. I have a >> regular monthly volunteer advocacy table at a local computer fair - >> one took place yesterday. I spend all day talking to people who use >> windows and mostly never heard of linux. The traders themselves have >> been particularly resistant to non windows.
>> However yesterday one >> actually came over to me and specifically asked for 'pc linux'! At >> first I did not recognise what he was asking, and even when I did I >> realise, I did not have any CDs, I am rather focussed on Ubuntu! >> However, when trying to explain, he described the pclos logo and that >> it was 'like windows, and easy'. >> >> This trader has a stand with 150 PCs and laptops to sell. It is >> possible that within a few months maybe he will be offering pclos as >> preinstalled. It will be hard for me to counter the sort of >> attraction >> he obviously has seen for pclos although I will try. >> >> I believe there is a significant movement and it is not in Ubuntu's >> favour. At least we can take notice, and maybe, (?) do something >> about >> it. >> -- >> alan cocks >> Kubuntu user#10391 >> > > Again, I haven't noticed this movement at all. I hope it's just delight > of the novelty that's plaining - and that were bound to happen sometime. > Now we just have to deal with it and keep being the best OS there is. > > And everything he said about KDE is better than Gnome is just invalid > since we offer goth Ubuntu and Kubuntu and we got full support for both > of them - and they are essentially the same thing. I know they are essentially the same thing, but the trader I mentioned *asked* me for pclinux not Kubuntu! He has been affected by pclinuxos marketing, not by kubuntu marketing. He did not even know the correct name, but could describe the logo. Why has he become interested in pclinuxos and not kubuntu? Way to go K/Ubuntu!. You will notice the movement is happening on distrowatch. Looking almost daily at the distrowatch figures it seems that pclinuxos is defying gravity. I wondered at first if somehow some thing naughty was happening behind the scenes! But then ubuntu did just the *same* last year. An important thing here is that the distrowatch figures are consistently showing a fall in interest - on that site - for ubuntu against pclinuxos. Marketing is crucial. One way to counteract what is showing on distrowatch is by use of better marketing, of all types. If we ignore it or if we argue it away or distract ourselves with another debate, we may feel more comfortable but will not change things. -- alan cocks Kubuntu user#10391 -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list [email protected] Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
