On Fri, 2008-05-30 at 08:45 -0500, John Vilsack wrote: the way I see it, the things that need to be reolved at this meeting will be things that require decisions which, being one who strongly favors democracy in its purest form, means voting. I believe that only by actually voting on things - like leadership, mission goals, etc. will we get this team to the point where, depending on your perspective, every one is happy or everyone is unhappy :-), but at least we have made some decisions that the team as a whole can abide by.
We could do this over the list or through a series of regional meetings, but that will take extra time. And, as I said in my earlier post, time is of the essence here. Perhaps I am missing something here - or suffering from some severe delusions LOL - but it seems to me that what may very well be a one time event, am international meeting of this team, is the only way to achieve what needs to be achieved so that everyone, or at least almost every one, feels a sense of ownership of and commitment to this team. > Due to the international nature of the group, I also think a meeting > is somewhat unfeasible for 100% attendance. > > I am about 90% done with a rough draft of a proposal to the council > which covers the three main topics (focus on materials and > collaboration, core-marketers, Canonical liasion) which I will post > once I have something readable but certainly before the meeting. > Barring any vehement opposition to the proposal, I will submit it > thereafter. > > I've also begun listing out the various roles that I envision would be > a part of this type of restructure, and I hope that those actively > contributing to the list now would be willing to step up and assume > ownership of one of these. > > As Alan said, much of what needs to be said in a discussion has been > said. Its time for actionable objectives and realizing our goals. > > My time is -6 GMT, Central Daylight, United States of America > > Thanks, > John > On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 7:32 AM, John Botscharow > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, 2008-05-30 at 12:03 +0100, Chris Rowson wrote: > Chris, > > I agree that setting up a meeting for the entire group is > going to be > difficult, but not impossible and I think that THIS meeting > should > involve everyone. We may very well end up with regional > meetings later > on, but right now we need to resolve the organizational issues > at a > single meeting of the entire group - or at least as many as > can make it. > > As for what day of the week, I suggest either Sat. or Sun. > since that > should avoid any day job conflicts for most people. Amd, > given, from the > time zone responses, that we have a 13 hr range of time zones, > it would > seem that something in the early afteroon say 1 or 2 PM UTC > would keep > the time reasonable for all of us - not too early for those of > us at UTC > -5 and not too late for those at UTC +8. > > Also doing it on a Sat. would probably give everyone the most > flexibility in the amount of time they can commit to the > meeting. I > really don't think this is going to be a short meeting :-) and > we all > should be prepared for that. > > The urgency of getting organized is another reason that I feel > we need > to do this at a full team meeting. Regional meetings first > would > lengthen the time frame of resolving the organizational > issues, and I > don't think we have that luxury. > > > I think part of the problem with these meetings is that > given the > > international basis of the marketing team, whenever you > organise one, > > someone will be unable to attend. > > > > I propose that an agenda is fixed, with a set of issues to > be > > addressed and that the agenda is discussed at a group of > regional > > meetings. > > > > The responses to the discussed issues could then be noted > and fed > > 'back up' to the international level and a decision arrived > upon based > > on the common consensus of the regional findings. > > > > Either that, or split the marketing team into regional > marketing teams > > with the main marketing team as an advice centre for people > to discuss > > and feed ideas up to. I did this over at ubuntu-uk here > > https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-uk-marketing > > > > Although we've not done much as of yet, it is a good way to > identify > > people with an interest in marketing in each locality and > I'm sure > > formalising the process would help get things moving along > more > > smoothly. > > > > Chris > > > -- > > Peace! > > John > > You do have choice on what operating system you use: > http://www.ubuntu.com/ > > I am an Ubuntu user! > My profile: https://launchpad.net/~jbotscharow > My wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JohnBotscharow > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Read my blog: http://hbotscharow.com > John Botscharow: Reflections on Religion, Politics & Life > > > -- > > > ubuntu-marketing mailing list > [email protected] > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing > > > > > -- > John Vilsack > Network Administrator > The-House.com > 300 S Owasso Blvd E > St. Paul, MN 55117 > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.the-house.com > p. 651.482.9995 > f. 651.482.1353 -- Peace! 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