-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 11:38:29 +0200 Pierre Vorhagen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: For anyone not interested in strategy/structure discussions, please feel free to ignore this message. I. for one, will not be offended. For those who are, please continue reading.
> John Botscharow a écrit : > > I think Simon may have hit on the best solution. See his "Stop it" > > post. I'm sorry to say, but all these comments about "sinister" > > motives for off-list discussions strikes me as a bit paranoid. What > > about any private messages on IRC? Are they off limits too? For all > > the rest of us know, there could be a conspiracy being plotted by > > you and Onno on IRC via pm. Yes, that was an absurd joke, but, > > honestly no more absurd than your reaction to my wanting to discuss > > some ideas amd do some brainstorming - with people who are > > interested in finding a solution to the structure issue. > > > > I am fully behind Onno and Alan. This is not the way an Open Source > project works, and I don't see any reason why this would be more > constructive than doing it openly. You can of course talk on IRC, but > all that is of a certain importance has to, in my opinion and in that > of many people, be copy/pasted to the list. We just work openly, we > work as a team, where everybody suggests his ideas, where we think as > a team, discuss as a team and take decisions as a team. > Even if voting should be one of the last options, if consensus cannot > be found, I am starting to think that we should vote on this question > of either a clear core group or to work as a normal FOSS project. Decisions as a team, yes. But brainstorming can best be done in small groups. And what makes IRC so special as opposed to email? Maybe I have some very good reasons for wanting to use email like: 1. Time differences. Not all discussions can be done in real time, nor should they be required to be. Not everyone has the luxury I have of getting up in the middle of the night - it was 0215 my time when I got back on after sleeping for a few hours - to talk to the night shift here. And I'll stay up till about 0900 and then go back to sleep for a few hours and get up around lunch time to catch up with the day shift here. Neither you, not Alan C, nor Onno are able to do that, from what I've seen. 2. Physical limitations. We're not all young, perfect specimens of humanity like you, Pierre :-) [friendly teasing] with perfect vision. I have vision problems that make any kind of text chat difficult and since this was my idea, I get to pick the media that best suits me, right? As far as how a FOSS community works, see my reply to my reply to Sinon for my thoughts on that. > > Concerning the start of a new list, I am not so fond of it, I think > this discussion on leadership and structure will soon come to an end, > which will free the list to it's actual purpose. Possible, but don't bet the family fortune, such as it may be, on it. LOL Also, should we decide to set up a core-marketing team, we could make this new list, their list, once they are in place. > > > Pierre Vorhagen, > pep. > - -- Peace! John -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIUkWWsTN+hz1Fu7URAhpoAJ9oDvAn8KkNC2mywB3kNIBEw6SZ5wCg5/dH 1HKCmjtd9ewfh3X2ygkQ5p0= =m6PR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list [email protected] Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
