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If you have not read the post below, please do. I am trying to get this organized and would like to invite you to be part of this effort, if you're willing. Please reply to me privately ASAP. I am hoping you agree to help with this. John Botscharow On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 08:44:42 +0200 Tord Jansson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > John Vilsack, John Botscharow and Cory K: > > You seem to be the ones most interested and able to form a more > formal leadership of this group, so please go ahead and work > something out. You have at least my blessing. > > Take the discussion off this list, include more people in your group > if they show interest and have something to contribute and return to > the list with clear questions and proposals. > > We are a meritocracy here, the ones offering good leadership and have > a good track record will become defacto leaders with the majority of > people joining ranks. If you fail in providing leadership and > guidance which is accepted by the community at large you will simply > be replaced or ignored. > > My apology if I've left somebody out who have offered leadership and > seems able, I've just followed this discussion for two days. > > Also, try to get Rubén Hubuntu involved, he seems to be a doer, his > initiative with SpreadUbuntu is applaudable and a good website will > be central to any kind of organization. > > Thats my opinion anyway. Start organizing yourselves and find a > common direction and develop a plan for this community. You will > either gain followers or be ignored. > > If you need some help or suggestions I have plenty to offer and will > be of assistance. In the meantime the rest of us can go ahead and > gather/produce marketing material and discuss marketing strategies. > > Regards, > Tord Jansson > > > > > > Cory K. wrote:John Botscharow wrote: > On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 19:36:50 -0400 > "Cory K." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I snipped most of this because I want to focus on the last part of > what Cory said. I think most of us are familiar enough with the > ongoing discussion on this subject for me to spare you all the > repition :-) The core must be made up of people who can get things > done. People of action. > Cory, please define what you mean by action. I think not all of > us define action the same way. > > People who can come up with ideas and follow through on them. Not just > endlessly debate or talk. :) > > So who thinks they fit that bill? Who can dedicate the time to > getting things done? Do you have the skills needed? > I can certainly dedicate the time to this team. Matter of fact, > from my perspective, I already do devote a great deal of my day to > this team. :-) > > >From my P.O.V. you would be fine with some guidance since your weak > point seems to be the Ubuntu culture. I would be fine to help offer > advise here. Email me separately if you want to chat. > > What skills do you think the core team should have? Marketing skills > and experience? ? These are the two > most important, IMHO. Developer skills? Not important at all, not for > a marketing team. Familiarity with all things Ubunu? Useful but not > necessary except perhaps for the ED. > > Yes. "Organizational skills and experience" are very important. As > well as understanding your audience. > > To me, once we have the people to actually "do" something, then they > can decide on what to do. They will draft the plans, then the people > watching can decide if they want to get involved. > I think we already do. > > Well... kinda. :) Lots of talk with nothing concrete yet. IMO there > really can't be much done until clear power is established. Some may > think that sounds bad. Lots of people in our community think "power" > has a negative connotation but without clear leadership, and > recognized power within that leadership, nothing will get done. > You'll just get questioned and resistance with everything you do. > > I know of at least 5, myself included, who have > stepped up and expressed an interest in being part of the leadership > of this team. And each of the five, from what little I know about > them, have different strengths that would compensate for others > weaknesses and complement each other very well. > > Not to ruffle any feathers, but it seems to me, to put it plainly, a > lot of the members of this team seem to have a resistance to the idea > of any kind of leadership or organized direction for this team. They > want to be able to do what ever moves them, whenever it moves them. > But real marketing does not work that way. Real marketing requires > integration of efforts. A project like organizing a letter writing > campaign can be done by one person, if it were a self-contained > isolated project. but if it is a part of a greater marketing strategy > to shift the balance in the OS market, as it should be, then that > greater strategy requires that that project be coordinated with the > release party guide, the spreadubuntu web site, the FCM magazine, > Ubuntu News, and everything else going on here at the marketing team, > as well as Ubuntu as a whole. and it all needs to be geared toward > fixing Bug #1. > > Marketing cannot be viewed as a collection of isolated battles. It is > a WAR. And a war is not won by single individuals working in > isolation. They are won by organized armies where each soldier has > and knows their own role. but everyone's efforts are coordinated by a > high command. > > Yes. the military analogy might be extreme, allow me some poetic > license to indulge in a little hyperbole here, but it is appropriate > to the point I am trying to make. Marketing cannot be done by a bunch > of loose canons running helter skelter. It has to be organized and > integrated. That requires some sort of leadership that is accepted and > acknowledged by the team. > > One more point. Marketing is, to a large part. a matter of timing - > doing the right thing at the right time. The way I see it, and I'm > sure there will be disagreement on this, but I am going to say it > anyway. we missed a very good marketing opportunity with the Becta > thing because we were in position, structurally, to respond in the > time frame given. How many more opportunities are we going to have to > miss out on? > Not much opinion on this. :) > > Yes, this issue is on the agenda for next month's meeting. but can > we afford to wait that long? I don't think so, but I'm probably in the > minority here. > > I think we should seriously consider resolving this issue long before > the meeting. The sooner the better. > > Yes. From the looks of posts lately, another meeting is in order. I'll > be sure to make that one. > > > - -- Peace! John -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIUcaNsTN+hz1Fu7URApHMAKCPsRWPmk5W5wgIRpHAcB8jiZZf8QCg7t5r p8WYUJwn8amcdde+Kwb3sVo= =0Gca -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list [email protected] Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
