On Sat, 2008-05-03 at 06:34 -0700, MJang wrote: > On Sat, 2008-05-03 at 08:52 +0100, Paul Elliott wrote: > > Ante Karamatic wrote: > > > On Fri, 2 May 2008 14:23:31 -0500 > > > "Dustin Kirkland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > What's the purpose of fluxbox, openbox, xfce, enlightenment (etc...) on > > > server? It's not like you have some point and click application for > > > setting up apache virtual website or psotfix transport tables. > > > > We find increasingly a large number of applications are *requiring* a > > full X environment to run the setup procedure. It's not something I > > agree with, > > In many cases, I find that X over SSH works for that purpose (with the X > server and GUI on some remote client). In addition, fewer packages are > required on the server to run an X client over SSH - than even a minimal > GUI on the server - much less a full version of GNOME, KDE, or Xfce. And > as Paul suggests, a smaller footprint means a smaller attack vector. > > However, if an admin chooses to run a full GUI on Ubuntu Server, I'd > think he/she would want a - supported - system. While I like > alternatives like Fluxbox or even Fvwm, I don't think they're in the > main repository. I suspect at least a substantial minority of Ubuntu > Server users have some Canonical support subscription. > > > I strongly believe a CLI installer should always be present > > for any software that might end up on a server. Unfortunately it's also > > something outside of our control. > > Yup, Red Hat has moved away from CLI installers too.
Let me clarify a bit - by Red Hat CLI installers, I'm referring to tools like printconf and setup - yes, they are not package installers, but CLI configuration tools nevertheless. printconf is no longer there, and I think setup is deprecated. But I'm also thinking of LVM configuration - at least through RHEL 5, a custom LVM setup requires the GUI version of Anaconda. Thanks, Mike -- ubuntu-server mailing list [email protected] https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server More info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam
