On Wednesday, August 11, 2010 04:21:36 pm Dustin Kirkland wrote: > On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Scott Kitterman <[email protected]> wrote: > > On Wednesday, August 11, 2010 11:28:28 am Mathias Gug wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> Excerpts from Dan Sheffner's message of Wed Aug 11 11:14:04 -0400 2010: > >> > I guess the only question I have is where do I ask questions about the > >> > KVM hypervisor, virsh, and vmbuilder commands? #ubuntu-server or > >> > #ubuntu-cloud? it would nice to have one room like #ubuntu-vm for > >> > virtual machines that would include xen, kvm, virsh, virtualbox, > >> > eucalyptus, etc. > >> > >> As outlined in the proposal: > >> > >> 1) Development discussion happens in #ubuntu-devel > >> * e.g. packaging, patching, debugging, development, etc. > >> > >> 2) Traditional server discussion happens in #ubuntu-server > >> * e.g. running Ubuntu on your server hardware or in a * virtual > >> machine, getting it installed, configuration/management of > >> services, virtualization, etc. > >> > >> 3) New-age cloud server discussion happens in #ubuntu-cloud > >> * e.g. running UEC private clouds, running Ubuntu * in EC2, cloud > >> work loads, ensemble cloud magic, etc. > >> > >> #ubuntu-server seems the appropriate place to ask questions about KVM, > >> virsh and vmbuilder. > > > > I missed in the original proposal that development is now off topic in > > #ubuntu- server. I object to this change. #ubuntu-server has been a > > joint developer/user channel for a very long time now. It's the one > > place in the Ubuntu project where users and developers are on the same > > channels (yes, some developers are on user channels, to help, but that's > > different). We discussed this very change not very long ago and the > > consensus was not to change it. > > > > I feel like this change was slipped in with other changes about IRC > > channel consolidation and should have been (re) discussed separately > > (although honestly I don't see the need to revisit the discussion so > > soon). > > Scott, > > I don't think anything really changes in #ubuntu-server, from a > development discussion perspective. There's plenty of > development-related conversations that will continue in > #ubuntu-server, perfectly on-topic. No one is getting kicked/banned > from there, and no one should get slapped on the wrist for talking > devel (in my opinion). > > I read Ahmed's proposition to really be about consolidating > cloud/virt/ensemble/ec2 channels into one -- simplifying the landscape > for those of us subscribed to all 4 and unraveling the maze for our > users seeking cloud-related support. > > The previous recent discussion you refer to, I think, was about > splitting #ubuntu-server and #ubuntu-server-devel. As I remember it, > we, as a community, n'acked the creation/separation to > #ubuntu-server-devel, as we didn't want to divorce ourselves from our > user support channel. I still agree with that sentiment, and I think > that's unchanged even in Ahmed's IRC realignment suggestion.
Then I'm a little unclear what Mathiaz' point #1 is about then. "Development discussion happens in #ubuntu-devel" seems pretty clear to me. Scott K -- ubuntu-server mailing list [email protected] https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server More info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam
