On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Scott Kitterman <[email protected]> wrote: > On Wednesday, August 11, 2010 11:02:05 pm Dustin Kirkland wrote: >> On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 4:49 PM, Scott Kitterman <[email protected]> > wrote: >> > On Wednesday, August 11, 2010 04:21:36 pm Dustin Kirkland wrote: >> >> On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Scott Kitterman <[email protected]> >> > >> > wrote: >> >> > On Wednesday, August 11, 2010 11:28:28 am Mathias Gug wrote: >> >> >> Hi, >> >> >> >> >> >> Excerpts from Dan Sheffner's message of Wed Aug 11 11:14:04 -0400 2010: >> >> >> > I guess the only question I have is where do I ask questions about >> >> >> > the KVM hypervisor, virsh, and vmbuilder commands? #ubuntu-server >> >> >> > or #ubuntu-cloud? it would nice to have one room like #ubuntu-vm >> >> >> > for virtual machines that would include xen, kvm, virsh, >> >> >> > virtualbox, eucalyptus, etc. >> >> >> >> >> >> As outlined in the proposal: >> >> >> >> >> >> 1) Development discussion happens in #ubuntu-devel >> >> >> * e.g. packaging, patching, debugging, development, etc. >> >> >> >> >> >> 2) Traditional server discussion happens in #ubuntu-server >> >> >> * e.g. running Ubuntu on your server hardware or in a * virtual >> >> >> machine, getting it installed, configuration/management of >> >> >> services, virtualization, etc. >> >> >> >> >> >> 3) New-age cloud server discussion happens in #ubuntu-cloud >> >> >> * e.g. running UEC private clouds, running Ubuntu * in EC2, >> >> >> cloud work loads, ensemble cloud magic, etc. >> >> >> >> >> >> #ubuntu-server seems the appropriate place to ask questions about >> >> >> KVM, virsh and vmbuilder. >> >> > >> >> > I missed in the original proposal that development is now off topic in >> >> > #ubuntu- server. I object to this change. #ubuntu-server has been a >> >> > joint developer/user channel for a very long time now. It's the one >> >> > place in the Ubuntu project where users and developers are on the same >> >> > channels (yes, some developers are on user channels, to help, but >> >> > that's different). We discussed this very change not very long ago >> >> > and the consensus was not to change it. >> >> > >> >> > I feel like this change was slipped in with other changes about IRC >> >> > channel consolidation and should have been (re) discussed separately >> >> > (although honestly I don't see the need to revisit the discussion so >> >> > soon). >> >> >> >> Scott, >> >> >> >> I don't think anything really changes in #ubuntu-server, from a >> >> development discussion perspective. There's plenty of >> >> development-related conversations that will continue in >> >> #ubuntu-server, perfectly on-topic. No one is getting kicked/banned >> >> from there, and no one should get slapped on the wrist for talking >> >> devel (in my opinion). >> >> >> >> I read Ahmed's proposition to really be about consolidating >> >> cloud/virt/ensemble/ec2 channels into one -- simplifying the landscape >> >> for those of us subscribed to all 4 and unraveling the maze for our >> >> users seeking cloud-related support. >> >> >> >> The previous recent discussion you refer to, I think, was about >> >> splitting #ubuntu-server and #ubuntu-server-devel. As I remember it, >> >> we, as a community, n'acked the creation/separation to >> >> #ubuntu-server-devel, as we didn't want to divorce ourselves from our >> >> user support channel. I still agree with that sentiment, and I think >> >> that's unchanged even in Ahmed's IRC realignment suggestion. >> > >> > Then I'm a little unclear what Mathiaz' point #1 is about then. >> > "Development discussion happens in #ubuntu-devel" seems pretty clear to >> > me. >> >> I think it's pretty clear, and 100% true. Development discussion >> does, in fact, happen in #ubuntu-devel. >> >> I haven't seen anything forbidding development discussion happening in >> #ubuntu-server. >> >> Have you gotten that impression? Does the above policy deserve some >> clarification? Perhaps that "general" Ubuntu development discussion >> should land in #ubuntu-devel, while Server-specific development >> discussion is encouraged (or belongs) in #ubuntu-server. That's just >> status quo, as far as I'm concerned, though. >> > I did get that impression based on the complete lack of mention of development > discussion in the #ubuntu-server description and it being mentioned in > #ubuntu-devel. > > When discussing Ubuntu Server development, I don't think #ubuntu-devel even > needs a mention as that's not where Ubuntu Server development discussions are > supposed (as I (and apparently you) understand it). > > I'm not sure if it was intended to change the status quo or not, but as > written it certainly appears to me that it does.
Okay, shall we ask Ahmed to update his proposal to note that "sever" specific development discussion should continue in #ubuntu-devel? Would that assuage your concerns, Scott? :-Dustin -- ubuntu-server mailing list [email protected] https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server More info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam
