Please do not send any more emails on this subject to the list. I think it is clear that everyone agrees that getting the shirt in as many shapes and sizes as is cost effective is best; so people (men and women) can make up their own mind about what they like best. If I have another "you have mail" sound and it is an email of people quibbling about semantics, I am going to go crazy. -Jack
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 10:51 AM, Larry Cafiero <[email protected]>wrote: > On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Nathan Haines <[email protected]>wrote: > >> On Thu, 2009-10-15 at 10:15 -0700, Larry Cafiero wrote: >> >> > >> > Good. We all should, and hopefully do. However, you don't seem to be >> > bothered by making a statement implying dividing shirts into those >> > with "ponies" (subtext: a "girl" motif) and those that don't. >> >> I don't think calling out what was a disappointingly sexist remark >> (although probably in an attempt to be politically correct, to give the >> benefit of the doubt) is sexist. >> > > Good. I'm glad you don't mind that I called you out for making one, despite > being way off base about why I did it. Hint: It wasn't to be politically > correct, and let me suggest that assuming someone says something just to be > "PC" is always a weak argument. The "ponies" statement was sexist. I > appreciate the fact that you recognize this. > > >> > Incidentally, I'm just wondering: In light of this and Mark >> > Shuttleworth's arguable gaffes at LinuxCon, is it community policy to >> > dig yourself in deeper after you say something ridiculous, or is the >> > phrase, "Gee, I'm sorry. I seem to have misspoken" forbidden from the >> > community's lexicon? >> >> I did not misspeak when I said that the premise that a simple shirt with >> a logo on both sides needed to be planned specially with women in mind >> because they had some sort of alien fashion sensibility was completely >> non sequitur with the idea that they are people too, which was spoken in >> the same breath by the person who suggested it. > > > That would be nice, Nathan, except you seem to be falling into your typical > cherry-picking of statements irrelevant to the main argument that, in > several cases over the past several months, has bogged down the list. > > Suffice to say, the logo was not the issue when the original poster made > his comment about separate shirts for men and women -- that was my > understanding, although the original poster is free to jump in here and > correct me. Also, with a limited knowledge of fashion, my understanding is > that the differences in men's and women's t-shirts revolve around the cut of > the collar, for example (v-neck as opposed to crew neck), or a tapering in > the waist -- though anyone with more fashion knowledge than me is free to > jump in here as well. > > -- > Ubuntu-us-ca mailing list > [email protected] > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-ca > >
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