Would anyone wonder why we have trouble getting things done for Ubuntu?
This is the most posts I have read at anytime, and it is about something
so small and having a choice in t-shirts. What should be debated is
what is on _the_ t-shirt. Like most democracies, we tend to be are own
worst enemy.
Alan Ostlund
Larry Cafiero wrote:
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Nathan Haines <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
On Thu, 2009-10-15 at 10:15 -0700, Larry Cafiero wrote:
>
> Good. We all should, and hopefully do. However, you don't seem to be
> bothered by making a statement implying dividing shirts into those
> with "ponies" (subtext: a "girl" motif) and those that don't.
I don't think calling out what was a disappointingly sexist remark
(although probably in an attempt to be politically correct, to
give the
benefit of the doubt) is sexist.
Good. I'm glad you don't mind that I called you out for making one,
despite being way off base about why I did it. Hint: It wasn't to be
politically correct, and let me suggest that assuming someone says
something just to be "PC" is always a weak argument. The "ponies"
statement was sexist. I appreciate the fact that you recognize this.
> Incidentally, I'm just wondering: In light of this and Mark
> Shuttleworth's arguable gaffes at LinuxCon, is it community
policy to
> dig yourself in deeper after you say something ridiculous, or is the
> phrase, "Gee, I'm sorry. I seem to have misspoken" forbidden
from the
> community's lexicon?
I did not misspeak when I said that the premise that a simple
shirt with
a logo on both sides needed to be planned specially with women in mind
because they had some sort of alien fashion sensibility was completely
non sequitur with the idea that they are people too, which was
spoken in
the same breath by the person who suggested it.
That would be nice, Nathan, except you seem to be falling into your
typical cherry-picking of statements irrelevant to the main argument
that, in several cases over the past several months, has bogged down
the list.
Suffice to say, the logo was not the issue when the original poster
made his comment about separate shirts for men and women -- that was
my understanding, although the original poster is free to jump in here
and correct me. Also, with a limited knowledge of fashion, my
understanding is that the differences in men's and women's t-shirts
revolve around the cut of the collar, for example (v-neck as opposed
to crew neck), or a tapering in the waist -- though anyone with more
fashion knowledge than me is free to jump in here as well.
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