Ken, we both know that yyyc186 won't use 8GB of RAM just for editing some documents, nor do anything which would roughly require more than 3GB of RAM :)
He's just a mortal Linux user :) On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 5:22 PM, ken <[email protected]> wrote: > I would argue otherwise. I am using all 8GB that my system has for > solid modeling and finite element meshing. In fact, I'm ordering more. > > - K > > On Apr 3, 10:09 am, Icebreaker <[email protected]> wrote: > > 64-bit is still young for both Windows and Linux. At the moment it > doesn't > > worth the effort, and you won't notice any speed-up. > > > > Do you really need more than 3GB of RAM? Come on, lets be serious, 3GB is > > enough even if your are doing 3D modeling with Blender, or editing fairly > > large images with GIMP. > > > > Install the 32-bit version and never worry again :) > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 5:56 PM, smr <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Ah, that detail completely escaped me, I figured versioning was an > > > issue that was simply decided internally and end users can just enjoy > > > the result but year and month's beautifully logical as a number > > > system, it saves the "actually, I'm not feeling this is significant > > > enough for a whole number increase" arguments that you get in a > > > committee and it's just "no, guys, it's April, it's getting a .04" > > > > > I've never typed a book, unsurprisingly enough, into a single > > > OpenOffice document so I don't have empirical evidence of how it works > > > with documents over about 300 pages but there's never been a paging > > > failure even when I do open these larger documents, with 1GB of ram. I > > > still don't think that OpenOffice has an "If page number > 100 then > > > crash" function and think being unable to handle documents of that > > > size, since people have been able to electronically typeset huge books > > > for decades before the 4GB DIMM, points to a deeper underlying issue > > > than Ubuntu's x64 kernel update policy. That sounds broken to me and > > > programs shouldn't crash if you put as much data into it as the > > > designers allow you (if OO.o had a 600 page limit it's ok for it to > > > crash at 800, that's been announced and designed around), although the > > > thought does occur - is OpenOffice intended for book typesetting? I > > > thought the word processor was a middle step. Whoa, has Quark and TeX > > > indoctrinated me that much? > > > > > I'll admit, my problem here is both how different the experience is to > > > mine but mainly the trouble my mind has in just fitting around the > > > idea of any text document needing 8GB of RAM to work on it. Patient > > > people edit HD video on less than that. > > > > > On Apr 2, 3:18 pm, Roy <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > All Ubuntu releases in recent years end in 04 or 10 because they are > > > > released in April or October respectively. The number before the dot > > > refers > > > > to the year. So 8.04 was released in April, 2008. > > > > have a vaguely unlimited page count if they can't > > > > Not all 04 releases are considered "stable". Normal releases have > only 18 > > > > months of support and they are updated continuously. Stable releases > are > > > > not. Stable updates are less frequent and usually only deal with > security > > > > problems, etc. As such you can expect to be running OpenOffice 2.4 > until > > > > 2011 while Ubuntu 9.04 users will be running OpenOffice 3.0. > > > > > > Stable releases are referred to as LTS which stand for Long Term > Support > > > and > > > > the desktop version has three years and the server five. Ubuntu 8.04 > was > > > LTS > > > > and it will expire in April 2011 for the desktop and April 2013 for > the > > > > server. Ubuntu 8.10 which came out six months after 8.04 expires > April > > > 2010 > > > > by contrast. > > > > > > LTS releases overlap and the next one is due next spring in April, > 2010 > > > one > > > > year before the previous one expires (desktop version). > > > > > > Roy > > > > > > Linux: Fast, friendly, flexible and ... free! > > > > Support open Source > > > > <,*)}}+< > > > > Only dead fish go with the flow. > > > > > > 2009/4/1 smr <[email protected]> > > > > > > > Well, no. I install the updates that get pushed out to me every > day, > > > > > I don't think I'd be allowed to live it down if I caught an exploit > > > > > from an unpatched version of Linux (not to mention I've got a > > > > > positively draconian network policy at my university which bans > your > > > > > MAC address for breaking it, so anti virus and every patch the > world > > > > > provides as soon as it provides it as a standard operating policy). > > > > > Distribution updates are done incrementally on the top of the > previous > > > > > installation without breaking stride and I aim to upgrade to Jaunty > > > > > the day the stable release comes out. > > > > > > > It was pretty immediately clear that we were talking about > different > > > > > editions from the outset (you had regular crashes and mine survives > > > > > physical bag malfunctions onto pavement and resumes immediately > > > > > afterwards) but the differences are vast. I use the regular 32 bit > > > > > Ubuntu with a kernel recompiled for my laptop's Pentium M and I > also > > > > > play pretty free with Compiz plugins, which if it comes from the > > > > > supported sources stay working and responsive. It does seem fair > > > > > enough to change to another distribution if you want the opposite > of > > > > > everything Ubuntu wants to provide. > > > > > > > The x64 is required to address all the memory that OpenOffice needs > > > > > comment doesn't fit with my experience - I get by with 1GB and, > > > > > firstly, don't use swap but also didn't find OpenOffice would crash > > > > > when I was using a 512MB system that did swap. That seems to point > to > > > > > much more drastic underlying issues than just Cannonical's lesser > > > > > adoption of a niche window manager and a relatively, though > > > > > increasingly well supported, niche platform. Bearing in mind that > > > > > Ubuntu is currently designed around the assumption that you're > using > > > > > it on something like i386 and with Gnome you've basically decided > to > > > > > drive upside down on the other side of the road. Suse will > probably > > > > > work better than Gnome at KDE (since it's the primary system) but > will > > > > > have a incredibly hard time handling apt. It's a choice you'll > just > > > > > have to make, my choice of Gnome over KDE dates from the days of > Red > > > > > Hat Linux, I was turned off by Keramik and simply didn't find it > > > > > worked the same way I did and was just operating it rather than > > > > > enjoying it. The only application I've found I can't really replace > on > > > > > Gnome or just download the KDE libs and run that I'd quite like is > a > > > > > Fuzzy Clock (hardly leading the fight against cancer, tbh) that > ties > > > > > in the panel and to Google Calendar, beyond that I've been happy. > > > > > > > The huge success that regular Ubuntu has had has caused an upswell > of > > > > > debian compatible (and even written-for) software which I currently > > > > > can't see changing, it's not dissimilar to how Windows became the > > > > > market leader and caused everyone to write for it or get out of the > > > > > way. > > > > -- > > > > Samuel Goldwyn - "I don't think anyone should write their autobiography > > until after they're dead."- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - -- Fred Allen - "Washington is no place for a good actor. 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