Mitayo Potosi wrote:
...."We all share the same motherland, as equals!! But it is the stock of
most
politicians from outside Buganda to coddle these base elements from my
tribe."
My brother Matayo, talk for yourself do not generalise, there are dark
elements everywhere in the world of politics, (compromise, give and take are
the words for working together). Political support is gained through
persuation, contacts, working together and never an automatic right. Why
every time you people do not seem to accept that even in Buganda when it
comes to politics just as in life not all Bagandas think the same and
certainly they are not all saints.
It is incorrect to tell us that the politicians in Buganda share the same
motherland, as equals But it is the stock of most politicians from outside
Buganda to coddle these base elements from Buganda. I happen share
relations in both Buganda and "other places" which is a privilage because it
opened the way for me beyond "other places" and Buganda or beyond Buganda
and other places!.
The Buganda politicians to a greater degree coddle base elements from other
tribes. It is the "Buganda Politicians" who are so closed up in Buganda, to
illustrate, The only time some Muganda politican went North or East was when
they stood for Presidential elections and spent minimum time. some did not
even go though they wanted to rule the country. I can continue that the
ones that went north was given more clear and fair votes than Museveni, not
once but every occasion !!!. Not because the Buganda politicians are
superior, not because they do not know the misperception some politicians in
Buganda have of Northerns, Not because they do not know the betrayal some
Buganda did to the Northerners, not because they agreed with everythiing the
Buganda politician had put in the manifesto if any, not because there were
no Northerners who could stand for leadership but because they understand
nationhood and are patriotic. Political support is gained through
persuation, contacts, working with people and never an automatic right.
The northern politicians have always gone to and worked every part of the
country. Take the case of muganda a soldier who swore to protect the nation
( may not be representative) does not want to go to the north! What message
does that show? IT IS THIS RECITING OF EXTREMES THAT IS THE PROBLEM. Don't
you see?
Now that the NRA/ LRA wars have brought the north to its knees i have not
heard any of the Buganda politicians taken it seriously infact it does not
concern them.
Also the decades with NRA/M I see the suffering of my rlatives in Buganda
which they tell me it has never been this bad!!! The same suffering they are
going through is the same suffering people in the north are are going
through.
Please stop and think, the child who yells louder in the play ground is
usually the trouble causer!!
Toro
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----- Original Message -----
From: Mitayo Potosi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2002 8:27 PM
Subject: ugnet_: Vukoni - Kony Eats People. Is it the culture of the region?
Dear Bro Vukoni,
Thank you for expressing yourself in the civilized manner that you have
done.
Sometimes one wonders how far, especially my tribesmen, how far they will
ever go with their narrow prejudices and conceite.
My only request is that all of us Baganda are not taken as a conceited lot.
Many of us are perplexed like all decent people ought to be.
We all share the same motherland, as equals!! But it is the stock of most
politicians from outside Buganda to coddle these base elements from my
tribe.
It very sad.
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"Ivinicus factus sum veritabem diceus." ( I have become an enemy for
speaking the truth ) St Paul!
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Mitayo Potosi
>From: "Vukoni Lupa-Lasaga" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: Fw: ugnet_: Vukoni - Kony Eats People. Is it the culture of
>the region?
>Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 10:27:36 -0500
>
>Netters,
>
>Ndugu Ssemakula asked me a question, which I thought was honest and worth
>answering. While I do recognize that you cannot control the manner in
>which people discuss an issue that is out in the public domain, I must
>express my extreme discomfort and dismay at being associated with debates
>that degenerate into ethnic-bashing.
>
>That just isn't the way I was taught to look at the world. And in any case,
>I really do believe in the power of persuasion and in defeating a bad idea
>by cold logic or shining a light in dark corners, and not loopy, pent-up
>prejudices that tend to bleed into every thread of discussion. It's
>inefficient, counterproductive, unenlightening, dishonest, uncivilized, and
>small-minded.
>
>Who the cap fit, let them wear it.
>
>vukoni
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: J Ssemakula
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 8:13 PM
> Subject: Re: Fw: ugnet_: Vukoni - Kony Eats People. Is it the culture of
>the region?
>
>
> Given that I made no comment but merely asked a question about an
>article that appeared in a local daily, how can you tell 'how' or what I
>think? And, how does Buganda come into this?
>
> FYI here is the article. You might even notice that I did not write it
>and that it was written by one Dennis Ojwee, a name that is unlikely to be
>a Kiganda name.
>
> You may want direct your vitriol elsewhere. It'd also be best to comment
>on those threads that you have followed, rather than making unwarranted
>remarks mid-stream, so to speak.
>
> ----
>
>
> From: "J Ssemakula" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | This is Spam | Add
>to Address Book
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: ugnet_: Vukoni - Kony Eats People. Is it the culture of
>the region?
> Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 17:03:09 +0000
>
>
> By Dennis Ojwee
>
> JOSEPH Kony's Lord's Resistance Army (LRA) massacred
> 34 civilians using pangas and sticks at Biwang near
> Gere-gere, Omot sub-county, Agago county in Pader
> district on Tuesday night.
>
> A witness said one of the dead was chopped into pieces
> and put in a big pot to be cooked.
> The rebels wanted the villagers to eat the body parts
> as a punishment for allowing one of their captives to
> escape into Lalur-Onywal village with their gun.
> Fortunately, the UPDF arrived in armoured cars and
> dispersed the rebels.
> The UPDF overall intelligence officer for the northern
> operations against Kony, Lt. Col. Charles Otema
> -Awany, told journalists in his Gulu office on Tuesday
> that the motive of the massacre had not been
> established. He said the rebels were about 30.
> This brings to 49, the number of civilians massacred.
> Eight were killed using pangas and others
> beaten into 'pulp' by the LRA before and soon after
> Joseph Kony ordered mass killing of the Acholi on
> October 20 in a message intercepted by the UPDF.
> Kony ordered the massacre of the Acholi starting with
> his own relatives in Palaro parish, Odek sub-count! ! y in
> Omoro, east of Gulu town.
> On the same day, the LRA killed eight civilians by
> hitting them on the heads at Coo-Pil.
> Two more civilians were killed at Corner Ojaa, about
> 60km on Gulu-Moroto road, 4km to Acet camp in Odek
> sub-county in Gulu. The two were said to be students
> of Pajule Technical School, Aruu county in Pader.
> Following the massacre in Pader, local security
> sources said one rebel escaped with a gun and the
> rebels trailed him to his village at Biwang. Rebels
> also killed a pastor at Lalogi recently.
> The army spokesman, Maj. Shaban Bantariza, said the
> army had asked civilians to leave the villages and go
> to areas with UPDF protection to avoid such killings
> by the LRA, but that the plan had been bogged down by
> some area MPs in Pader.
> He said the MPs were advising civilians against moving
> into safe camps.
> In July, the rebels killed 52 civilians at Mucwini in
> Kitgum on similar claims that some rebe! ls! had fled to
> the villages with guns.
>
> Published on: Thursd ay, 24th October, 2002
>
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: "Lisa Toro"
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: ,
> Subject: Fw: ugnet_: Vukoni - Kony Eats People. Is it the culture of the
>region?
> Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 07:44:50 +0100
> Vukoni,
> That shows how semakula and many Ugandans who think like him does not
>know
> much about Uganda as AS A COUNTRY But knows UGANDA ONLY AS BUGANDA.
> I remember being told during my school age that there were man eating
> communities on Mt. Elgon!!!. You are dum right it scares one stiff. Even
>in
> later years when i went to school there, i was very careful about my
> friendships and i would not venture our of the school gates without
>familiar
> company. But later i found it to be pure rubbish because other students
>were
> escaping going into mountains and coming back having enjoyed themselves
>with
> drinks, fruits etc courtesy of the locals who should have eaten them!!!
> For people who know more about cultures, they will tell you that it was
>a
> common way of keeping childern in check and caucious about what they do,
> especially going to new and unfamilar places. There were stories of man
> eaters even from Rwenzori, the "zimamotor" who would drain your blood if
>you
> enter their car!. Just last week there was an article of a corpse eater
>in
> Buganda or Busoga? Lets open our minds before we jump blowing goffio.
> This is the second war M7 and NRA/M are said to be fighting DECEPTION!!!
>The
> great NRA/M weapon on ignorant population mixed of the so call elites
>and
> illiterates. But people who are facing for donkey years it are not
>stupid,
> they have worked out the scrumble mess and knows exactly what message it
>is
> carrying.
> Toro
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 10:16 PM
> Subject: Re: ugnet_: Vukoni - Kony Eats People. Is it the culture of the
> region?
> > Mw. Ssemakula,
> >
> > To the best of my knowledge, cannibalism has not been a
> > practice in the rituals and diet of the peoples of northern
> > Uganda.
> >
> > However, back in the days, it was common for parents to keep
> > their children in line or scare them from straying too far
> > into the unknown with tales of man-eating communities hailing
> > from what is today southern Sudan. I remember clearly how my
> > elders used to show us a mountain named Kanyabadrilatra
> > (literally, the two-headed-cannibal), across the border in
> > Sudan, where the flesh-eaters allegedly dwelled.
> >
> > You bet we were scared stiff. Years later, I lived in Sudan,
> > and had the opportunity to travel through the so-called
> > cannibal territory, including the eponymous mountain. I
> > found no saber-toothed Nearndathal there. If this practice
> > existed at all, even in the margins of our societies, it was
> > possibly in the far distant past.
> >
> > vukoni
> > ---- Original message ----
> > >Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 17:03:09 +0000
> > >From: "J Ssemakula"
> > >Subject: ugnet_: Vukoni - Kony Eats People. Is it the
> > culture of the region?
> > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >
> >
>
>
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