I suppose it'd be too much to expect Ms. Toro to apologize to the Baganda for so mercilessly maligning us, let alone a withdrawal of her baseless statements.
And then too, while I am no politician of any description, there was a time in the recent past when I wrote on the internet agaist these senseless wars on quite a regular basis.
I'd like to see what any of these folks did to ameriolate the situation or even said when the Baganda were suffering in the mid-80s.
----Original Message Follows----
From: Lutimba Matovu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: ugnet_: Vukoni - Kony Eats People. Is it the culture of the region?
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 12:21:11 -0800 (PST)
Thanks Mr. Ssemakula,
I think Toro and those who share her ideas understand
that the people of Buganda like all other Ugandans do
not like war and have sympathetic to the suffering
people of the North.
LM
--- J Ssemakula <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
Mr. Lutimba Matovu:
Here is proof positive that the Baganda (fresh from
Luweero Trangle, 'Panda Gari', etc) have no
empathy for war in Northern Uganda:
;Abalangira banaayamba
ABALANGIRA ba Buganda bagenda Gulu ne Acholi batandike
ensawo okuyamba
okuweereera abaana abakoseddwa obuzibu
bw�olutalo lwa Kony. Kino bagenda
> kukikola
nga bayita mu kibiina ekibagatta ekya , �Balangira
Foundation�, ekikulirwa
> omulangira Edward
Kimbugwe . Ensawo eno yakuyitibwa Acholi Education
Fund .
Kimbugwe yategeezeezza nti
omukolo guno gwakubaawo nga Oct 30 omwaka guno e
Gulu.
Published on: Sunday, 27th
October, 2002
href="http://www.bukeddekussande.co.ug/detail.php?newsCategoryId=169&newsId=92855">http://www.bukeddekussande.co.ug/detail.php?newsCategoryId=169&newsId=92855
---
Makes one wonder what Ms. Toro's agenda
is! Outside of Acholi, which other community in
Uganda has been as outspoken against this war as the
much hated Baganda? WHY IS THIS SO?
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wrote:
I happen share relations in both Buganda and "other
places" which is a privilage because it opened the way
for me beyond "other places" and Buganda or beyond
Buganda and other places!.
Lisa, can you please name what those "other places"
are? Why do you mention Buganda and hide those other
places?
You also said >"Not because they do not know the
betrayal some Buganda did to the Northerners">
Lisa, can you be honest and tell when did this betray
take place? Who betrayed who? I think it was Obote who
betrayed Buganda by attacking and killing Baganda who
did so much to bring him to power. Did Baganda betray
Obote, Amin, Lutwa or it's the northern army which
fell out which each other?
You further said >Now that the NRA/ LRA wars have
>brought the north to its knees i have not
> heard any of the Buganda politicians taken it
> seriously infact it does not concern them.
Are you serious with this statement? Have you not
heard various Buganda politicians condemning the war
and the attrocities in the North? The Kabaka of
Buganda H.M Muwenda Mutebi personally called for an
end to the war. Various player meetings have been held
in Buganda for the suffering people of the North not
once not twice. So what are you talking about?
How many Northern politicians did that during the wars
in Buganda?
Lisa, stop and think before you write your nonsense.
stop your prejudice.
LM
> Mitayo Potosi wrote:
>
> ...."We all share the same motherland, as
equals!!
> But it is the stock of
> most
> politicians from outside Buganda to coddle these
> base elements from my
> tribe."
>
> My brother Matayo, talk for yourself do not
> generalise, there are dark
> elements everywhere in the world of politics,
> (compromise, give and take are
> the words for working together). Political
support
> is gained through
> persuation, contacts, working together and never
an
> automatic right. Why
> every time you people do not seem to accept that
> even in Buganda when it
> comes to politics just as in life not all
Bagandas
> think the same and
> certainly they are not all saints.
>
> It is incorrect to tell us that the politicians
in
> Buganda share the same
> motherland, as equals But it is the stock of most
> politicians from outside
> Buganda to coddle these base elements from
Buganda.
> I happen share
> relations in both Buganda and "other places"
which
> is a privilage because it
> opened the way for me beyond "other places" and
> Buganda or beyond Buganda
> and other places!.
>
> The Buganda politicians to a greater degree
coddle
> base elements from other
> tribes. It is the "Buganda Politicians" who are
so
> closed up in Buganda, to
> illustrate, The only time some Muganda politican
> went North or East was when
> they stood for Presidential elections and spent
> minimum time. some did not
> even go though they wanted to rule the country. I
> can continue that the
> ones that went north was given more clear and
fair
> votes than Museveni, not
> once but every occasion !!!. Not because the
Buganda
> politicians are
> superior, not because they do not know the
> misperception some politicians in
> Buganda have of Northerns, Not because they do
not
> know the betrayal some
> Buganda did to the Northerners, not because they
> agreed with everythiing the
> Buganda politician had put in the manifesto if
any,
> not because there were
> no Northerners who could stand for leadership but
> because they understand
> nationhood and are patriotic. Political support
is
> gained through
> persuation, contacts, working with people and
never
> an automatic right.
>
> The northern politicians have always gone to and
> worked every part of the
> country. Take the case of muganda a soldier who
> swore to protect the nation
> ( may not be representative) does not want to go
to
> the north! What message
> does that show? IT IS THIS RECITING OF EXTREMES
THAT
> IS THE PROBLEM. Don't
> you see?
>
> Now that the NRA/ LRA wars have brought the
north
> to its knees i have not
> heard any of the Buganda politicians taken it
> seriously infact it does not
> concern them.
>
> Also the decades with NRA/M I see the suffering
of
> my rlatives in Buganda
> which they tell me it has never been this bad!!!
The
> same suffering they are
> going through is the same suffering people in the
> north are are going
> through.
>
> Please stop and think, the child who yells louder
in
> the play ground is
> usually the trouble causer!!
>
> Toro
>
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>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mitayo Potosi <
href="http://us.f121.mail.yahoo.com/ym/Compose?[EMAIL PROTECTED]&YY=5953&order=down&sort=date&pos=0">[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <
href="http://us.f121.mail.yahoo.com/ym/Compose?[EMAIL PROTECTED]&YY=5953&order=down&sort=date&pos=0">[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
<
href="http://us.f121.mail.yahoo.com/ym/Compose?[EMAIL PROTECTED]&YY=5953&order=down&sort=date&pos=0">[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2002 8:27 PM
> Subject: ugnet_: Vukoni - Kony Eats People. Is it
> the culture of the region?
>
>
>
> Dear Bro Vukoni,
>
> Thank you for expressing yourself in the
civilized
> manner that you have
> done.
> Sometimes one wonders how far, especially my
> tribesmen, how far they will
> ever go with their narrow prejudices and
conceite.
>
> My only request is that all of us Baganda are not
> taken as a conceited lot.
> Many of us are perplexed like all decent people
> ought to be.
>
> We all share the same motherland, as equals!!
But
> it is the stock of most
> politicians from outside Buganda to coddle these
> base elements from my
> tribe.
>
> It very sad.
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> "Ivinicus factus sum veritabem diceus." ( I have
> become an enemy for
> speaking the truth ) St Paul!
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Mitayo Potosi
>
>
> >From: "Vukoni Lupa-Lasaga" <
href="http://us.f121.mail.yahoo.com/ym/Compose?[EMAIL PROTECTED]&YY=5953&order=down&sort=date&pos=0">[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To:
href="http://us.f121.mail.yahoo.com/ym/Compose?[EMAIL PROTECTED]&YY=5953&order=down&sort=date&pos=0">[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >To: <
href="http://us.f121.mail.yahoo.com/ym/Compose?[EMAIL PROTECTED]&YY=5953&order=down&sort=date&pos=0">[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: Re: Fw: ugnet_: Vukoni - Kony Eats
People.
> Is it the culture of
> >the region?
> >Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 10:27:36 -0500
> >
> >Netters,
> >
> >Ndugu Ssemakula asked me a question, which I
> thought was honest and worth
> >answering. While I do recognize that you
cannot
> control the manner in
> >which people discuss an issue that is out in
the
> public domain, I must
> >express my extreme discomfort and dismay at
being
> associated with debates
> >that degenerate into ethnic-bashing.
> >
> >That just isn't the way I was taught to look
at the
> world. And in any case,
> >I really do believe in the power of
persuasion and
> in defeating a bad idea
> >by cold logic or shining a light in dark
corners,
> and not loopy, pent-up
> >prejudices that tend to bleed into every
thread of
> discussion. It's
> >inefficient, counterproductive,
unenlightening,
> dishonest, uncivilized, and
> >small-minded.
> >
> >Who the cap fit, let them wear it.
> >
> >vukoni
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: J Ssemakula
> > To:
href="http://us.f121.mail.yahoo.com/ym/Compose?[EMAIL PROTECTED]&YY=5953&order=down&sort=date&pos=0">[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 8:13 PM
> > Subject: Re: Fw: ugnet_: Vukoni - Kony
Eats
> People. Is it the culture of
> >the region?
> >
> >
> > Given that I made no comment but merely
asked a
> question about an
> >article that appeared in a local daily, how
can you
> tell 'how' or what I
> >think? And, how does Buganda come into this?
> >
> > FYI here is the article. You might even
notice
> that I did not write it
> >and that it was written by one Dennis Ojwee,
a name
> that is unlikely to be
> >a Kiganda name.
> >
> > You may want direct your vitriol
elsewhere. It'd
> also be best to comment
> >on those threads that you have followed,
rather
> than making unwarranted
> >remarks mid-stream, so to speak.
> >
> > ----
> >
> >
>
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