Mwaami Ssenyonjo
Yes I have read your posting and you have covered allot of ground that I can
not cover into this one response, so I will try what I can and if there is
any where you need my clarification then I will expand it.
Let us not twist the facts. NRM never proposed to have Uganda turned into a
federal state, NRM came with a very open agenda of dictatorial terms. NRM
shut down political parties and even threatened a former President with
death as soon as he touches the soil of Uganda. And as we speak today Obote
is still in exile due to that official threat on the NRM books. But NRM was
as well smart, so it looked into Uganda and saw that Buganda and Baganda as
a people are gullible, so it threw a borne with out meat to Buganda. The
return of the Kingdom. If it was in the interest of NRM to return Kingdoms
into Uganda, Yoweri Museveni should have started with his own Kingdom. But
Ankole Kingdom to today is an illegal institution in Uganda. Again the
ignorance of Buganda that I mentioned before, did not help Buganda to wonder
why? Buganda thought that the Kingdom of Buganda is out of good love from
NRM, so the Kibuuka's and company started to resign from their day jobs for
NRM was now going to give them Federalism in Uganda.
Many Ugandans went out of their way to explain to the federalists that No
single person has ever done a deal with Museveni and he respected it, from
the peace jokes to Andrew kayiira to Tito Okelo to Muzeyi Kabila to Paul
Kagame, on and on. We stated that what we need in Uganda is the immediate
removal of Museveni and we clean up our nation. Federalists responded by
throwing all of us out of their discussion group, which has by the way
collapsed as we speak. Kwashiorkor can be a very fatal disease.
With that back ground, the federalists and Mengo prepared and sent a
document to a government of killers to make our nation a Federal state.
Uganda government is today responding and stating that it will accept their
request but it will not allow them to tax. And this is a decision in NRM's
rights as a supreme leader in a nation.
Now let me apply my Federal knowledge to Uganda situation since you have
challenged me to.
Taxation is not and will never be a basic fundamental, taxation is a right
and you work for it. Mwaami Ssenyange yes you have given your examples of
Canadian provinces, but you have some how failed to tell us when the
province of Ontario for example started to tax its citizens. When did
Alberta start to refuse to tax its citizens? You see the danger we have here
is Ugandans like our selves who have lived in these countries for years,
when we see how systems run here and we run into Uganda and we try to
implement them, we fail to remember that there was a ground work of very
many years that was invested into these countries before they became able to
implement those systems. I was shocked when Mengo requested for a right to
tax in Buganda, and I wonder who are they going to tax in Buganda, my
mother? Do they know her name, do they know her income, do they know her
address, have they or are they creating jobs for her, in Buganda's mind what
is the main employer that creates jobs in Buganda that they want to base
their taxation from? For all these are very fundamental questions that
Buganda must ask her self before she opens up her mouth, and I am not even
attacking today Buganda's corruptness, I am just on the tax base.
Mwaami Ssenyange, the mayor of Toronto and the provincial government are
today asking the federal Government for a right to put a tax on gas so that
they can use that money to build roads and the transit system. They are
asking today in 2003. And you are stating that taxation is a fundamental
right?
Federalists and Mengo have been agitating for federalism, and God I hope NRM
comes through and gives it, then many of you will understand that Uganda is
of more value than Buganda, for Uganda can be with out Buganda. And lastly
this is what I am seeing a head, through ignorance, Mengo will refuse the
NRM's federalism, personally I think that will be the right time for the
rest of Uganda to go to Yoweri Museveni and they ask for federalism minus
Buganda. Just watch as this silliness gets better by the day.
Ffe katugira twebaka as we wait for the fundamental right to taxation.
Em
Toronto
The Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy"
Groupe de communication Mulindwas
"avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"
----- Original Message -----
From: "ssenya nyange" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 6:11 PM
Subject: Re: ugnet_: NRM's Federo has been rejected by Baganda.
>
> Mr. Mulindwa,
>
> You started your argument well but you sturbonely refused
> to apply your federal knowledge to Uganda's situation. When the President
or
> ruling party wants to negotiate an issue, he should not start by
> specifically ruling out the BASIC FUNDAMENTALS of the negotiation. In
other
> words NRM cannot say "come and negotiate BUT NO TAX POWERS TO BE GIVEN
under
> the federo". Thats not how its done in developing civilized countries.
> secondly, the govt cannot close out the rest of Uganda when some of the
> other parts wants it also. This shows that there are some monkey tricks
> behind.
>
> You asked:
> ----------------------...................................................-
> For look at it this way, suppose Uganda
> >government agrees today and Buganda collects taxes, Kasese will ask for
> >Kilembe mines, and Jinja will ask for rights on River Nile. How will the
> >central government run Uganda as a state?
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
-------------
> Look at Canada where you reside. Over 50% of Canadian economy
is
> in Ontario. Alberta is the sole producer and exporter of oil in Canada. Do
> you want to tell us that the rest of the provinces are so poor because the
> federal govt gives tax powers to provinces? Do you want to say that the
> federal govt does not get enough from Ontario and Alberta to distribute to
> the "have not" because of tax powers?
>
> Mr. Mulindwa, the federal govt collects 7% GST from all provinces.
> Provincial govt have powers to levy their own taxes.e.g Ontario has 8%
> Provincial Sales Tax ( PST), Eastern provinces have the highest PST and
> Alberta does not charge PST at all yet it has the strongest economy in
> Canada. Many businesses run away from Eastern provinces and relocated to
> Alberta because of 0% PST and other taxes. Federal govt charges from 17%
> I.Tax above $7,400 p.a on individuals. Some provinces add on their own
I.Tax
> e.g Ontario adds on 49% of the Federal Tax. Others like quebec add on
higher
> % and Alberta adds on the lowest. In otherwords let the Uganda govt give
> federal states tax powers, demand and supplies will work out the rest.
That
> does not remove the tax powers and the ability to reallocate funds from
the
> "have" to the "have not" from the central govt.
>
> J. Ssenyange
> --------------------------------------
> : "Mulindwa Edward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >CC: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: ugnet_: NRM's Federo has been rejected by Baganda. Date: Sun,
24
> >Aug 2003 11:40:57 -0400
> >
> >Lisa
> >
> >There is as well another problem in this whole 'negotiation' Many
nations
> >I
> >have seen which turn into Federal nations it happens through negotiation
> >not
> >instructions, and Senyange with the rest of them are missing that very
> >vital
> >part.
> >
> >For argument sake let us say that Museveni is a serious man who one can
go
> >into such discussion with, and let us say that Buganda wants Federalism
for
> >the whole of Uganda. The highest man in this whole matter is Museveni
and
> >not Buganda. Museveni with his government decides what kind of federalism
> >they are capable to deliver, they decide what powers they can offer or
> >refuse, that is why you see that when you look on federal countries they
> >are
> >all running differently. Nations like Canada, are still negotiating with
> >the
> >provinces on what to take and what to leave. Toronto as a city has just
> >been
> >down loaded with services like roads, Public transportation and so on,
> >Quebec in the meantime runs her own immigration yet other provinces do
not.
> >So in essence the negotiations must be continuous. You get more and more
as
> >you are demonstrating your ability to run the little powers given to you.
> >
> >Let us not forget that Uganda government must always have the keeping of
> >Uganda as a state as priority one, that is how services can be delivered
to
> >all Ugandans equally. So in so doing the same government must keep the
> >resources which it sees fit to help her reach that goal. And in saying so
> >Uganda government has every right to see that Buganda is the main tax
> >source
> >to finance her running of the nation. The government can not turn around
> >and
> >give its tax base to Buganda that is just impossible.
> >
> >So if Buganda comes to Uganda government and asks for federalism, that
> >request must stop there, if NRm today agrees to deliver it, then you can
> >start to discuss what the government is willing to offer and not to
offer.
> >Buganda there fore can not ask for federalism and turn around and state
> >that
> >with out taxation rights we do not want federalism. That is pure
ignorance
> >which has been rampant in Buganda all along, and which must stop if
Buganda
> >will play a part in Uganda politics. For look at it this way, suppose
> >Uganda
> >government agrees today and Buganda collects taxes, Kasese will ask for
> >Kilembe mines, and Jinja will ask for rights on River Nile. How will the
> >central government run Uganda as a state?
> >
>
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