From: "Mulindwa Edward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: ugnet_: NRM's Federo has been rejected by Baganda. Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 17:02:27 -0400
Mwaami Musaazi
So you want them to take the time while in IDP Camps and write what they want from federalism. Do you really think that getting federalism is any where on the list of all most three quarters of Ugandans who have never got peace since you guys started to sleep?
Em
The Mulindwas Communication Group "With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy" Groupe de communication Mulindwas "avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie" ----- Original Message ----- From: "emmanuel musaazi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 11:37 AM Subject: Re: ugnet_: NRM's Federo has been rejected by Baganda.
> ..but i think over and above everything else is the fact that the demand
of
> the baganda for federalism is facilitating a debate and an important one
at
> that. Federalism is the way to go particularly for a country like Uganda
> where there is a lot of uneven development country-wide. What shape it
> eventualy takes, i think will be a matter of negotiations mainly between
the
> units and government. Right now it appears one sided because the other
units
> are yet to appreciate the long term benefits of federalisms, they are
> letting there reactions to federalism be dictated by the baganda, instead
of
> coming up with their own demands that benefit their regions under such a
> system. They are failing to realise that as long as buganda is the only
> region asking for federalism, then it is more likely to get most of it's
> demands through than if there were several units making demands, in which
> case compromises would have to be made.
>
>
> >From: "ssenya nyange" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: Re: ugnet_: NRM's Federo has been rejected by Baganda.
> >Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 18:11:47 -0400
> >
> >
> >Mr. Mulindwa,
> >
> > You started your argument well but you sturbonely
refused
> >to apply your federal knowledge to Uganda's situation. When the President
> >or ruling party wants to negotiate an issue, he should not start by
> >specifically ruling out the BASIC FUNDAMENTALS of the negotiation. In
other
> >words NRM cannot say "come and negotiate BUT NO TAX POWERS TO BE GIVEN
> >under the federo". Thats not how its done in developing civilized
> >countries. secondly, the govt cannot close out the rest of Uganda when
some
> >of the other parts wants it also. This shows that there are some monkey
> >tricks behind.
> >
> >You asked:
>
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> >For look at it this way, suppose Uganda
> >>government agrees today and Buganda collects taxes, Kasese will ask for
> >>Kilembe mines, and Jinja will ask for rights on River Nile. How will the
> >>central government run Uganda as a state?
>
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> > Look at Canada where you reside. Over 50% of Canadian economy
> >is in Ontario. Alberta is the sole producer and exporter of oil in
Canada.
> >Do you want to tell us that the rest of the provinces are so poor because
> >the federal govt gives tax powers to provinces? Do you want to say that
the
> >federal govt does not get enough from Ontario and Alberta to distribute
to
> >the "have not" because of tax powers?
> >
> >Mr. Mulindwa, the federal govt collects 7% GST from all provinces.
> >Provincial govt have powers to levy their own taxes.e.g Ontario has 8%
> >Provincial Sales Tax ( PST), Eastern provinces have the highest PST and
> >Alberta does not charge PST at all yet it has the strongest economy in
> >Canada. Many businesses run away from Eastern provinces and relocated to
> >Alberta because of 0% PST and other taxes. Federal govt charges from 17%
> >I.Tax above $7,400 p.a on individuals. Some provinces add on their own
> >I.Tax e.g Ontario adds on 49% of the Federal Tax. Others like quebec add
on
> >higher % and Alberta adds on the lowest. In otherwords let the Uganda
govt
> >give federal states tax powers, demand and supplies will work out the
rest.
> >That does not remove the tax powers and the ability to reallocate funds
> >from the "have" to the "have not" from the central govt.
> >
> >J. Ssenyange
> >--------------------------------------
> >: "Mulindwa Edward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>CC: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>Subject: ugnet_: NRM's Federo has been rejected by Baganda. Date: Sun,
24
> >>Aug 2003 11:40:57 -0400
> >>
> >>Lisa
> >>
> >>There is as well another problem in this whole 'negotiation' Many
nations
> >>I
> >>have seen which turn into Federal nations it happens through negotiation
> >>not
> >>instructions, and Senyange with the rest of them are missing that very
> >>vital
> >>part.
> >>
> >>For argument sake let us say that Museveni is a serious man who one can
go
> >>into such discussion with, and let us say that Buganda wants Federalism
> >>for
> >>the whole of Uganda. The highest man in this whole matter is Museveni
and
> >>not Buganda. Museveni with his government decides what kind of
federalism
> >>they are capable to deliver, they decide what powers they can offer or
> >>refuse, that is why you see that when you look on federal countries they
> >>are
> >>all running differently. Nations like Canada, are still negotiating with
> >>the
> >>provinces on what to take and what to leave. Toronto as a city has just
> >>been
> >>down loaded with services like roads, Public transportation and so on,
> >>Quebec in the meantime runs her own immigration yet other provinces do
> >>not.
> >>So in essence the negotiations must be continuous. You get more and more
> >>as
> >>you are demonstrating your ability to run the little powers given to
you.
> >>
> >>Let us not forget that Uganda government must always have the keeping of
> >>Uganda as a state as priority one, that is how services can be delivered
> >>to
> >>all Ugandans equally. So in so doing the same government must keep the
> >>resources which it sees fit to help her reach that goal. And in saying
so
> >>Uganda government has every right to see that Buganda is the main tax
> >>source
> >>to finance her running of the nation. The government can not turn around
> >>and
> >>give its tax base to Buganda that is just impossible.
> >>
> >>So if Buganda comes to Uganda government and asks for federalism, that
> >>request must stop there, if NRm today agrees to deliver it, then you can
> >>start to discuss what the government is willing to offer and not to
offer.
> >>Buganda there fore can not ask for federalism and turn around and state
> >>that
> >>with out taxation rights we do not want federalism. That is pure
ignorance
> >>which has been rampant in Buganda all along, and which must stop if
> >>Buganda
> >>will play a part in Uganda politics. For look at it this way, suppose
> >>Uganda
> >>government agrees today and Buganda collects taxes, Kasese will ask for
> >>Kilembe mines, and Jinja will ask for rights on River Nile. How will the
> >>central government run Uganda as a state?
> >>
> >
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