Emmanuel,thanks for your response on this issue of Federalism.
In deed Obote and Amin were once presidents and I think no one
really need to belabour that.
The present stalemate or whatever one may prefer to call it has got
nothing to do with those two former Ugandan presidents.It has got
all to do with the way a segment of the Ugandan society wants to
handle such matters that impact on every Ugandan.
We on other fora discussed exhaustively on Federalism and there
was a consensus within the fora that Ugandans would be better served
if Federalism was to augment our governance.
Mu7 and his cabal were very aware of this and what some of us suggested that time was that since we were all in consonance with
the idea of federalism,we had better promote democracy and democratic
principles first because as it has turned out to be true,Mu7 will use
the per chant desire of some of us for Federalism and grant it on paper
as a claptrap to perpetuate himself in power.
What is being purported to be cabinet decisions is no surprise at all to me and those of us who have known Mu7 and his modus operandi.That is why I am personally wondering why some of us in Buganda never really want to learn from all the vast personal experiences that we have
had with Mu7.Is it because we hate Obote more and therefore our hatred
for and of Obote clouds the way we analyse Ugandan issues?.
Mu7 has now exposed the few Baganda who may have been surreptitiously meeting him to offer Federo to Buganda by saying Buganda will get Federo and that is where the truth will emanate from not the multitudes of denials that is being put up as a face saving facade.
This we had ably pointed out and I am sure , unless Mu7 is talking out of sync,it will come to pass.
This is where our problem lies in having unity with people who are united for cross purposes.
Ugandans need to unite to get their rights and without actually knowing what is happening in Northern Uganda ,I will reluctantly say Kony is the terrorist because there are many activities there that just do not add up.
The best way to get to the truth is to make Mu7 accountable to the people of Uganda for what has been taking place there since 1986.
Sometimes I am left wondering whether that was his plan to wipe out the
people from the North that he and his ardent supporters from Central Uganda have often referred to as biological substances.Some of us would like emphatic opposition to Mu7's ways in these areas and not
using Mu7's dupe to think the rebels are terrorists when it may be the state itself terrorising the people,since they have the monopoly of both the means of violence and spewing deceptive information.
That my brother is the biggest problem.
Thank you.
Kipenji.
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emmanuel musaazi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
emmanuel musaazi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Let's not trivialise such an issue by resorting to tribalism.....remember
that Obote and Amin were once presidents of Uganda and they never gave
federalism a thought, and gauging from their policies, i think they were
against federalism. Buganda and for that matter any region in Uganda has a
right to make demands for federalism. The constitution of Uganda is not
suspended, irrespective of the unfortunate situation in the North of the
country, being caused by the LRA terrorists.
>From: "Mulindwa Edward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: ugnet_: NRM's Federo has been rejected by Baganda.
>Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 17:02:27 -0400
>
>Mwaami Musaazi
>
>So you want them to take the time while in IDP Camps and write what they
>want from federalism. Do you really think that getting federalism is any
>where on the list of all most three quarters of Ugandans who have never got
>peace since you guys started to sleep?
>
>Em
>
> The Mulindwas Communication Group
>"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy"
> Groupe de communication Mulindwas
>"avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "emmanuel musaazi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 11:37 AM
>Subject: Re: ugnet_: NRM's Federo has been rejected by Baganda.
>
>
> > ..but i think over and above everything else is the fact that the demand
>of
> > the baganda for federalism is facilitating a debate and an important one
>at
> > that. Federalism is the way to go particularly for a country like Uganda
> > where there is a lot of uneven development country-wide. What shape it
> > eventualy takes, i think will be a matter of negotiations mainly between
>the
> > units and government. Right now it appears one sided because the other
>units
> > are yet to appreciate the long term benefits of federalisms, they are
> > letting there reactions to federalism be dictated by the baganda,
>instead
>of
> > coming up with their own demands that benefit their regions under such a
> > system. They are failing to realise that as long as buganda is the only
> > region asking for federalism, then it is more likely to get most of it's
> > demands through than if there were several units making demands, in
>which
> > case compromises would have to be made.
> >
> >
> > >From: "ssenya nyange" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >Subject: Re: ugnet_: NRM's Federo has been rejected by Baganda.
> > >Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 18:11:47 -0400
> > >
> > >
> > >Mr. Mulindwa,
> > >
> > > You started your argument well but you sturbonely
>refused
> > >to apply your federal knowledge to Uganda's situation. When the
>President
> > >or ruling party wants to negotiate an issue, he should not start by
> > >specifically ruling out the BASIC FUNDAMENTALS of the negotiation. In
>other
> > >words NRM cannot say "come and negotiate BUT NO TAX POWERS TO BE GIVEN
> > >under the federo". Thats not how its done in developing civilized
> > >countries. secondly, the govt cannot close out the rest of Uganda when
>some
> > >of the other parts wants it also. This shows that there are some monkey
> > >tricks behind.
> > >
> > >You asked:
> >
> >----------------------...................................................-
> > >For look at it this way, suppose Uganda
> > >>government agrees today and Buganda collects taxes, Kasese will ask
>for
> > >>Kilembe mines, and Jinja will ask for rights on River Nile. How will
>the
> > >>central government run Uganda as a state?
> >
> >---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>------------
> > > Look at Canada where you reside. Over 50% of Canadian
>economy
> > >is in Ontario. Alberta is the sole producer and exporter of oil in
>Canada.
> > >Do you want to tell us that the rest of the provinces are so poor
>because
> > >the federal govt gives tax powers to provinces? Do you want to say that
>the
> > >federal govt does not get enough from Ontario and Alberta to distribute
>to
> > >the "have not" because of tax powers?
> > >
> > >Mr. Mulindwa, the federal govt collects 7% GST from all provinces.
> > >Provincial govt have powers to levy their own taxes.e.g Ontario has 8%
> > >Provincial Sales Tax ( PST), Eastern provinces have the highest PST and
> > >Alberta does not charge PST at all yet it has the strongest economy in
> > >Canada. Many businesses run away from Eastern provinces and relocated
>to
> > >Alberta because of 0% PST and other taxes. Federal govt charges from
>17%
> > >I.Tax above $7,400 p.a on individuals. Some provinces add on their own
> > >I.Tax e.g Ontario adds on 49% of the Federal Tax. Others like quebec
>add
>on
> > >higher % and Alberta adds on the lowest. In otherwords let the Uganda
>govt
> > >give federal states tax powers, demand and supplies will work out the
>rest.
> > >That does not remove the tax powers and the ability to reallocate funds
> > >from the "have" to the "have not" from the central govt.
> > >
> > >J. Ssenyange
> > >--------------------------------------
> > >: "Mulindwa Edward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >>CC: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >>Subject: ugnet_: NRM's Federo has been rejected by Baganda. Date:
>Sun,
>24
> > >>Aug 2003 11:40:57 -0400
> > >>
> > >>Lisa
> > >>
> > >>There is as well another problem in this whole 'negotiation' Many
>nations
> > >>I
> > >>have seen which turn into Federal nations it happens through
>negotiation
> > >>not
> > >>instructions, and Senyange with the rest of them are missing that very
> > >>vital
> > >>part.
> > >>
> > >>For argument sake let us say that Museveni is a serious man who one
>can
>go
> > >>into such discussion with, and let us say that Buganda wants
>Federalism
> > >>for
> > >>the whole of Uganda. The highest man in this whole matter is Museveni
>and
> > >>not Buganda. Museveni with his government decides what kind of
>federalism
> > >>they are capable to deliver, they decide what powers they can offer or
> > >>refuse, that is why you see that when you look on federal countries
>they
> > >>are
> > >>all running differently. Nations like Canada, are still negotiating
>with
> > >>the
> > >>provinces on what to take and what to leave. Toronto as a city has
>just
> > >>been
> > >>down loaded with services like roads, Public transportation and so on,
> > >>Quebec in the meantime runs her own immigration yet other provinces do
> > >>not.
> > >>So in essence the negotiations must be continuous. You get more and
>more
> > >>as
> > >>you are demonstrating your ability to run the little powers given to
>you.
> > >>
> > >>Let us not forget that Uganda government must always have the keeping
>of
> > >>Uganda as a state as priority one, that is how services can be
>delivered
> > >>to
> > >>all Ugandans equally. So in so doing the same government must keep the
> > >>resources which it sees fit to help her reach that goal. And in saying
>so
> > >>Uganda government has every right to see that Buganda is the main tax
> > >>source
> > >>to finance her running of the nation. The government can not turn
>around
> > >>and
> > >>give its tax base to Buganda that is just impossible.
> > >>
> > >>So if Buganda comes to Uganda government and asks for federalism, that
> > >>request must stop there, if NRm today agrees to deliver it, then you
>can
> > >>start to discuss what the government is willing to offer and not to
>offer.
> > >>Buganda there fore can not ask for federalism and turn around and
>state
> > >>that
> > >>with out taxation rights we do not want federalism. That is pure
>ignorance
> > >>which has been rampant in Buganda all along, and which must stop if
> > >>Buganda
> > >>will play a part in Uganda politics. For look at it this way, suppose
> > >>Uganda
> > >>government agrees today and Buganda collects taxes, Kasese will ask
>for
> > >>Kilembe mines, and Jinja will ask for rights on River Nile. How will
>the
> > >>central government run Uganda as a state?
> > >>
> > >
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