emmanuel musaazi,

This is typical of how NRA/M started its' war in Luwero and continue to
operates in Uganda and in its' wars with Uganda nieghbours. You can not
tolerate any kind of view different from yours therefore NRA/M can not
engage in any dialogue, and frequently result to calling names and Guns
(Violence). Failing to Understand how their opponents see things &
Compromising all the truth.

You see, you even cut of my last reply to you in the hope that you destroy
it so that many people do no see what i said which is at the centre of the
truth about Luwero!! The same way you systematical destroy people who
opposes you in Uganda. On the net it is rather frustrating for you though!

You know what? In the 21ST Centuary sciences are very advanced and as a
scientist I will insist as long as I live that one day, one day tests be
carried out on your NRA/M born collection to get the information on where
all those borns grew up and who living relatives are and posibley even name
them rather just calling them skeletons!!!  The NRA/M vimpires have fed on
them alot. I hope that one day they get the honour of good citizenship they
all deserve.

I your night mare!!!

tORO.


----- Original Message -----
From: emmanuel musaazi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 10:18 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: ugnet_: 72 year old man wants Mu7 to pay back his lorry.(I
hope like ...


> Matek virtually every day on this forum you are very quick to point out
the
> suffering of the Acholis the sentiment of which i share with you, but some
> how you get offended when i or someone points out the sufferings of
Baganda
> under the UPC. You and Lisa (UPC M.O) as usual refuse to take
responsibility
> for the failures of your party.
>
> Matek do you realize that Mulindwa and co are members of your party and
that
> they are Baganda (or maybe you know something about them that we don't).
You
> seem to give the impression that the UPC is a northern party and all those
> who don't agree with it are not Ugandan enough. I hope the Mulindwa's of
> this world are listening, it appears that Matek may not think that
Mulindwa
> is good enough for the UPC (he is not northern enough). But then again
> Mulindwa has a role to play in the UPC (which he is doing very well)
> decieve/cajole Baganda into the party, use Baganda to get northerner UPC
> members (the real UPC members) back into power. Thank you Matek for
letting
> us know.
>
>
> >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: Re: Fw: ugnet_: 72 year old man wants Mu7 to pay back his
lorry.(I
> >hope like ...
> >Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 14:34:42 EDT
> >
> >In a message dated 9/22/2003 1:51:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> >
> > > Miss Toro, i agree there is always two sides to a story. True the NRM
> >may
> > > have been guilty of some wrong doings in Luwero, if you ask me, that
is
> >to
> > > be expected, no military campaign is perfect, if you know of any
around
> >the
> > > world please let me know. However the overall campaign of the NRM was
> > > supported by majority of the country ( meaning the buganda, Tutisis
> > > Byanrwanda) and that is why they succeeded.
> >
> >It > would have been totally impossible for the NRM to succeed without
the
> > > popular support of the masses, this is common sense other wise the
> >masses
> > > (particularly in Luwero) would have exposed the rebels, the rebels
would
> >not
> > >
> > > have been able to have bases within Uganda. (Why does our friend say
> >Uganda
> > > instead Buganda..even then in Luwero district. is this a calculate
move
> >to
> > > decieve us or what?)
> >
> >
> >The question then is, what > caused the masses ( meaning the Buganda) to
> >give
> > > such support to the NRM? and the answer is simple, the government of
the
> >day
> > > failed woefully.
> >
> >Miss Toro for your information i > am a Muganda, i know what happened in
> > > Luwero, my mother comes from Luwero, i don't want to go into the
graphic
> >details
> > > of the attrocities committed by the army at the time and if i wanted i
> >could
> > > easily blame it all on northern soldiers and politicians because i saw
> >and
> > > experienced the crimes and it is realy quite sad that you are
comparing
> >the
> > > attrocities committed by the
> > > soldiers at the time to the theft of a truck.( and that is why like
Yoga
> > > stated... the buganda went to the   North to revenge against the
> >ABADDOKOLO for
> > > the suppose  atrocities the ABBADDOKO COMMITTED AGAINST  the BUganda
in
> > > Luwero)
> >
> >
> >  I am however of the impression > that army (then) failed it's citizens,
> > > because the politicians failed and the politicians failed because UPC
> >failed. Had
> > > it been that  Ugandans ( actually the Buganda)  at the time were
> >contented
> > > and satisfied with the government of the day, the NRM would never ever
> >have
> > > had the success they had.
> > >
> > > Miss Toro, i believe in principled politics. The UPC and those of you
> >who
> > > love it should admit that something went wrong (or is wrong) with the
> >party
> > > and that is why Ugandans( meaning the Buganda)  rejected it.
> >
> >
> >Principled politicians and supporters > will then admit the wrongs,
change
> > > course and present a changed party with new ideas (and leadership) and
> > > directions. But alas and behold that is not what i see from you guys.
> >
> >
> >   You guys are rather holding on to old failed > principles, the basis
of
> > > your arguments is basically that the UPC was doing fine until the NRM
> >came
> > > along. What you are basically doing is belittling atrocities and the
> >crimes
> > > committed on Ugandas (particularly in Luwero) by the then government
of
> >the day
> > > which was UPC and refusing to take responsibility for the parties
> >failures.
> >
> >You keep on taking a few stories > out of Luwero which are the exception
> > > rather than the norm, blow them out of proportion and then put your
own
> >spin on
> > > them. Then after showing no remorse for the crimes your party was
> >responsible
> > > for when it was in power, you turn around and highlight how the poeple
> >in the
> > > north are suffering and how other
> > > groups (particularly the Baganda) are not showing enough concern.
> >
> >
> >You seem > to be saying well it is ok for Bagand blood to flow while that
> >of
> > > northerners is sacred, yet far more attrocities were committed by the
> >UPC in
> > >
> > > Luwero and other parts of southwest Uganda than all the 18 years of
> >Kony's
> > > tyranny and of course we should remember that Kony is largely
> >responsible
> > > for the problems in northern Uganda. No government worth it's salt
will
> >fold
> > >
> > > it's arms allow terrorism of the type exerted by Kony to go on
> >unchallenged,
> > >
> > > we all know of Britain and Northern Island, Spain and the ETA, etc.
> >(but
> > > then again  "no military campaign is perfect, if you know of any
around
> >the
> > > world please let me know.
> > >
> > > You need to realize Miss Toro that Ugandans are wiser and have a
deeper
> > > understanding of their politics than before. It's not just about what
> >you
> > > say but the way you say it and the implications for the future. It is
> >said
> > > that once bitten twice shy, it will be stupid of Ugandans to fall for
> >the
> > > same trick twice particularly by people who virtually tell you to your
> >face
> > > that you are stupid and who have not learnt from their mistakes or
> >refuse to
> > >
> > > learn from their mistake.
> > >
> > > E. Musaazi
> > >
> >
>
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