Kasangwawo
Because it is among fake names, as Mitayo Potosi's. Get strength to back up
what you post by going with your right names. As simple and crystal as that.
Em
The Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy"
Groupe de communication Mulindwas
"avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"
----- Original Message -----
From: "jonah kasangwawo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 2:57 PM
Subject: Re: ugnet_: OMWAAMI KIRONDE
> Mulindwa,
>
> you asked before what your name was doing in this exchange. Well, I ask
you
> now - what is MY name doing in this exchange ?
>
> Kasangwawo
>
>
> >From: "Edward Mulindwa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: ugnet_: OMWAAMI KIRONDE
> >Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 03:57:48 -0500
> >
> >Kironde
> >
> >I am just wondering, why did you think that this might be Mulindwa? And
the
> >only reason I am asking such a question, is that you as a man who has
been
> >in this forum for years you would know that I am a person who never post
> >any thing under fake names for I post it for I believe in it. I post it
for
> >I will defend it. I post it for if it will be wrong I will take the
blame.
> >But most of all I post it for I do not follow the wind, like today UPC is
> >in power so I am pro UPC, Museveni is in power, so I am a Movememntist,
out
> >of the blue I am pro North. That is why I always use my real name, Edward
> >Mulindwa, for if I was such an opportunistic, I would have used fake
names
> >like Kasangwawo or even Mitayo Potosi for that matter. Kironde ask me do
> >not bother with IP address.
> >
> >Again as Usual
> >Edward Mulindwa
> >Toronto
> >
> > The Mulindwas Communication Group
> >"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy"
> > Groupe de communication Mulindwas
> >"avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Ed Kironde
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 1:38 AM
> > Subject: RE: ugnet_: Fwd: thug Museveni is WANTED dead or alive! - The
> >role of Federalism
> >
> >
> > Ocham Otim
> >
> > In addition to your observation, when you do a trecert of the IP
> >address, the moderator is a subscriber to British Telcom - and uses a
> >dial-up connection since the last octet keeps on changing. One of the
> >names that came out though, was Joram, who claimed to be from Kabale when
> >he signed the UPDF Ironfist guest book and put a link to this anarchism
> >thing. Signed with a Swahili phrase Tutatawatuliyha! Other threads lead
> >you to the forum of Radio Rhino to which Edward Mulindwa is an ardent
> >contributor. First I thought it was Mulindwa's baby, but the first octet
> >of his IP parent net look.ca normally starts with 216. - later guys!
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf
> >Of Ochan Otim
> > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 9:18 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED];
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: ugnet_: Fwd: thug Museveni is WANTED dead or alive! - The
role
> >of Federalism
> >
> >
> >
> > Rehema:
> >
> > I am not sure about the ownership of the web site you provided. I
have
> >my doubts based on two observations on visiting the site. One, there are
> >only 12 members as per the web address. This kind of list, as those who
> >are familiar with it will testify, allows all kinds of flexibility to the
> >creator - including stuffing its membership with bogus e-mail addresses
to
> >swell their ranks. Which brings me to number two: 22 of the 27 messages
> >posted on the site since its creation appears to come from
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] the administrative address for the group.
> >This seems to bolster my suspicion. Is this a "one-man" show? In any
> >case, why are some of the messages deleted (e.g. #2, 3-4, etc.)?
> >
> > I could be wrong (and do help me out here), but I do not know why I
feel
> >that buried in your interpretation of the messages on the site is the all
> >too familiar stereotypical generalization we have heard all to often to
> >justify the lackluster response the whole country gave to the genocide
> >happening in northern Uganda. However one looks at it, the "northern" is
> >still part of Uganda for now and Uganda must deal with the problems in
the
> >north.
> >
> > Ochan Otim
> >
> > At 02:09 AM 11/15/2003 +0000, you wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > This note is written by Rehema Mukooza. Since all of us are struggling
> >to find some solutions to Uganda's problems, I thought it useful to share
> >with everyone.
> >
> > >From: Rehema Mukooza
> > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >Subject: thug Museveni is WANTED dead or alive! - The role of
> >Federalism
> > >Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 01:25:13 -0800 (PST)
> > >
> > >Fellow Federalists:
> > >
> > >I found this interesting discussion group on the net. Please check it
> >out below.
> > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ugandanarchism Are these lies or
facts?!
> >Okay, y'all know where I got your email addresses from [fedsnet]. Let's
> >forget my history on fedsnet for now, I'm seriously and curiously
> >interested in this particular issue.
> > >
> > >For long the LRA has been painted as a "non political visionary"
> >rebellion, but the link above which in so many ways looks like a LRA
rebel
> >forum has a different story to tell. I am not a LRA rebel supporter, I'm
in
> >search for knowledge and the truth in remmedy to get a clear view of
> >understanding the rebellion. Anarchism is their political philosophy and
> >they will protect & fight for it no matter what it takes! For the 1st
time
> >I've found out that their cause is not the 10 commandments.
> > >
> > >Before we move so quickly onto solving the northern rebellion with
> >federalism, let's check out how these anarchist northern federal states
> >will function and be governed.
> > >
> > >Uganda Anarchists/LRA rebels said - "We believe in a system that has
no
> >leadership but delegates elected and appointed by the populace. Delegates
> >that can be re-called at short notice when delegation is turned into
power.
> >A democracy that is built from the grassroot and managed by grassroot
> >people. A system that is accountable to its people. We don't believe in
> >national passports or national borders."
> > >
> > >Their message of "a democracy that is built from the grassroot and
> >managed by the grassroot people" rings a bell of federalism.
> > >
> > >Their ideology of "a system that has no leadership but delegates
> >elected and appointed by the populace. Delegates that can be re-called at
> >short notice when delegation is turned into power" can work within
> >federalism by simply forming a Northern Federal State Delegates
> >Committee-like structure from the grassroot upwards. However, how will an
> >anarchist region state respect the imperical superiority/leadership of
the
> >federal gov't of Uganda above it if it doesn't believe in "leadership"??
> > >
> > >Their "We don't believe in national passports or national borders" is
a
> >much advanced ideology of -no leadership- because leadership is limited
by
> >it's geographical boundaries and they want no part of this limitation.
Such
> >disbelief in national passports or national borders is a violation of
> >international, national and state laws and not compatible with federalism
> >where state and national borders are clearly drawn. I now know why the
LRA
> >keeps its base in Sudan moving across the border back and forth - because
> >it doesn't believe in national borders.
> > >
> > >I wrote all this because I needed some answers from our federal brain
> >childs of Uganda. The LRA has and is proving to be resilient rebel group
> >which is here to stay until it's demands are up into action. We are going
> >to have a problem with this group even in the post-Museveni era and under
a
> >possible federalism. The LRA's relactancy and non existing support of
> >federalism can now be realized why - because federalism is NOT anarchism!
> >Bingo! There you go!
> > >
> > >The LRA's demands might look undemocratic since the populace did not
> >ask for it, but their demands will HAVE to be put into action, like it or
> >not if we are to save lives. Decisions will have to be made in accordance
> >to the reality (LRA) of the situation. So, whatever kind of federalism
> >Uganda will choose, the northern region's will by force have to be
> >different from other states/regions.
> > >
> > >In the mean time, the federal brain childs of Uganda give me some
> >answers, and shapely curve up a regional practicable model for the
northern
> >region now before it's too late. I hate to Bugandanize federalism but we
> >need to put the Buganda federal talk aside [buganda will be easy to deal
> >with than the north] and deal/focus on the northern anarchist federal
> >model.
> > >
> > >I don't wanna hear the old talk of "they [northerns] will decide what
> >type of federal-in-state arrangement will work for them" because this
will
> >be a complicated situation (no national border/passport respect and no
> >recognition of the leadership of the Uganda State). The decision of the
> >northern federalism will definately have to involve the Ugandan republic
> >not just the people of northern region.
> > >
> > >And if the Uganda Federal Gov't hesitates to give up some of its
powers
> >to anarchism, I am afraid another LRA rebellion will be in the waiting
> >ready to happen! They don't even believe in laws imposed by legal
> >authority, they believe that ethics are a personal matter and should be
> >based upon others and the wellbeing of society! That explains why they
> >mutilate people without any remorse because in their thinking 'ethics are
a
> >personal matter' which depends on how individually someone interpretes
it,
> >and 'anarchism is what society needs for its wellbeing'. Guns can not
> >defeat such people, we will have to fight their beliefs which are deep
> >rooted. I don't even know how to fight their beliefs because they will
kill
> >any person tampering with their 'cause'.
> > >
> > >Uganda will HAVE to wake up from it's sleep and submit to the LRA
> >rebel's demands. No wonder the gov't has failed to make peaceful
ceasefire
> >negotiations with the rebels because the gov't itself is "a hierachial
> >economic authority 'leadership' inherently detrimental to the
maximization
> >of human potential" according to the LRA. Our gov't is power hungry, it
can
> >not give up such powers (federal or anarchist) to any region even if it
is
> >costing us an exstinction of groups of people.
> > >
> > >The LRA wants something way much more than federalism. I read some of
> >Mr. Oryema Johnson's postings on fedsnet about "seccession" of the
northern
> >region from Uganda. Oryema had some very very very important observations
> >and ideas which must not be ignored as non-nationalist. If the whole of
> >Uganda and her gov't will not be able to accomodate and accept northern
> >anarchism, there will be a NORTHERN SECCESSION by the force of you know
> >what, the LRA gun. This is a bloody marriage with fruits of death, if one
> >partner can not stand/live by the rules of the other, a sensible devorce
is
> >what is needed to stop the death fruits of the marriage.
> > >
> > >Federalists, correct me wherever I went wrong, but we need real
> >solutions to the war in the north. Our disguise of "nationalism" is not
> >even nationalism because any true nationalist would have solved this
> >problem years ago and saved national lives. This so called nationalism of
> >Uganda is about territory/land control and not its people. This makes
sense
> >why the people in the north refused Salim Saleh's plans of abandoning
their
> >land and start cultivating in concentration camps. The Uganda gov't does
> >all this sh**t and expects the LRA rebels to give up any time soon??
> > >
> > >Any federal solution to this anarchist situation in the north??
> > >
> > >
> > >Rehema M.
> >
> >
> >
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